Player Features and Ideas Discussion

Wait Wait!!!! Don't remove it completely! Make it like DUST514 !!! Turn clones into a comoditie!!!!! So you con only "Respawn" in stations where you have them. And if you own none, you respawn in a home station.

And remove the gradual increase in clones price!!!! Implants already makes them expensive... we don't need a 108Milion isk fee to fly a pod inside a frigate. This is the biggest reason why old player retire.

We go out in everything with everyone. After an hour of roaming there's usually a pod as +1 and -1, and the scouts have been promoted to hero tackle .

Pods don't automatically vaporize in null, when your fleet is getting burned down at a rate that may or may not be faster than you are burning down the other fleet very few FC's are calling pods for primary.

The thing about full SRP alliances is that it completely skews the cost/risk equation.

I often wonder if part of the movement against clone costs is spawned by players who get used to full SRP and so they don't notice the price of clones climbing because the cost of PvP has been made so affordable for them by the SRP. Then they suddenly hit the point where clone costs overtake ship costs and only then do they notice.

To have a significant impact on the short term 30% is not enough, everything under 50% will not prove that much because of this regular use of alts with 20/25M sp for specific tasks that are now trained and for who the 30% cost difference is still an insignificant difference in cost over the main character with 60M and above SP.

Just remove it for a year and see what happens, there must be a point and be a goal to train your main character for multiple activities rather than multiple alts so the clone cost overall gets lowered.

i support the posts that suggest a monthly fee for as many clones of the right quality that you need, it seems fair and can be an optional set up transaction that just dissapeers from your wallet once a month like station rental fees.

Alternatively I would prefer an insurance type system that replaced your clone plus your implants that you had installed at the time the clone contract was taken out, This would obviously be more expensive than normal clone costs but at least you wouldn't be totally disadvantaged when you wake up in your clone vat.

The subscription fee idea has the potential to reduce the balancing effect of clone costs the most. Well removing them entirely from the game would be worse I guess.

Much better to make them a player made item. There have been all kinds of cool ideas about how that would work. And body snatchers would be an awesome new profession.

Implants are more significant here. If I want to PvP for a day it has to be a day because you need a jump clone or I risk losing 100M isk for flying a ship worth 1/100 the cost! Jump clones are also a pain to get: so for some people its a pick between training time and PvP, or when they have 100M in implants PvP is super risky. So clone price AND the ability to swap clones needs to be adjusted.1 will have little impact without the other...
Maybe it doesn't have to be jump clones but making it a swap clones, which can only be done between 2 clones in a station. This let's battle clones serve as battle clones and training clones be training clones.

Edit: So now there needs to be an isk sink, well if this is successful than PvP loses will create the isk sink.

As opposed to the clever few (incl. you I presume) who stop skilling entirely when they can't think of a necessary skill? Wait what?

Clone costs down is good!

1) Get bittervets back into frig roams in 0.0 even if it is every now and then can only be good for everybody.
2) Increase the mobility of those not in alliances and coallitions with 12314132335 jump bridges.
3) It will be a pat on the back for people who keep pvp clones devoid of implants and other haxspensive augs.

Any odd measure Devs can think that will decrease reservedness and promote leeroy behavior in pvp will be good. There was a time when A could beat B simply because of being more decicive and getting 1-2 additional volleys in first. I know it sound srandom but it was good and we need more of it back. The old pendulum has swang way off center...

For many older vet's clone cost is something we look at. I made a decision long ago to break tradition and I trained all my character slots, mostly with PI alts but they were also given a T2 frigate or a racial T1 cruiser they were good in. Never going over 2 mill SP but still being able to apply dps in a fleet if I needed a front line pilot that I knew would lose assets.

In terms of my mains and how or when I send them in to battle, I don't see the clone cost being the hinge. Most cases I have experienced the combat was very one sided and I docked up and logged out because I knew the outcome. It had nothing to do with a 30 mill clone.

I think that clone cost should be reduced by at least 50% to 75% in the new expansion. I know if that would happen I would start to pvp in smaller ships (frigs, des, crus) with my mains who are now 160+ and 120+ mil sp

In the meantime, CCP should develop new clone costs system in game.

something like this: (I already posted this before in some clone price thread)

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Higher SP character have the advantage over the low SP characters in that that they can do more things in EVE and fly more Ships.

But the main point is> They can do only one thing at the time.

What does it mean? Well I can either fly frigate or carrier or whatever at one time. I can only do one thing in EVE. I cannot with my 150 mil SP char do 2 missions at one time. I cannot split him.

So advantage really depends on an occasion.

I think that the cloning system should be like this to be fair:

Clone SP TIED to a ship and modules fitted at the time pod exploded.

It would go i.e. like this:

- Jump into t1 frigate.
- Fit t1 frig.
- Undock.
!!!!! EVE calculates what skills are needed for this ship and for the modules I have.

!!!!! EVE calculates number of SP I have in skills needed to fly that ship and modules (not just needed level of skills but my lvl of skills, so if i fly galente frig and have skill at 5 my clone would have to cover more sp than if I would have skill at 4).

!!!!! EVE assigns above mentioned SP amount to the clone.

- If character gets his ship destroyed and than podded, the clone costs are not for total SP char has, but for amount that game calculated as explained above.

So if I get into t1 frigate with 150 mil SP and go fighting 30 day old char in t1 frig, I would still pay more than he is for a pod loss because although we both have necessary skills, I will have to pay more as I have my skill maxed. This is how it should be.

This also make sense for capital ships. SP needed is much higher. You enter super-capital, your clone will cost much more that when you are in t1 frig. But it make sense as you are USING those additional skills.

This also works with miners. Hulk pilot clone will cost much more than a future 30 days old mining frig pilot.

This makes sense imho.

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This is only fair solution I could come to. Maybe it can be refined. I hope we will get something like this.

This is an awesome idea! This would actually make the cloning system cool and dynamic in my opinion as well as give older players the possibility to fly frigs without 100mil clone costs, as well as keep the balance between clone costs for older players with all V skills and newer players with III-V skills. Especially, considering that the SP amount from lvl IV to lvl V skills is a huge increase, so an all IV character will have a substantially lower clone cost than an all V char.