EVE General Discussion

No one is whining that it's unfair or difficult. It just doesn't make any sense to have such high clone costs for higher SP players, as this essentially means that it's not worth going on a t1 suicide frigate roam for such a pilot.

As an example, if I went out in a t1 frigate roam, a full t2 fitted frigate costs around 8-10mil nowadays. My close costs are 30mil. This means that every time I lose my pod, I could have fitted and fought in 3 ships. If you didn't know, even if t1 frgates were rebalanced/buffed, they're still relatively fragile, and the chances of losing your ships is pretty high.

This is particularly true when you add in friends to the equation. Flying around in a gang means you're looking to take on gangs of similar or larger size, where often times a frigate is easily instapopped since it's almost impossible to get transversal on all 5-20 of the opposing gang.

Another issue with having multiple alts to be able to fly other ships and keep clone costs done, is, aside from the increased RL cost of maintaining such accounts, it would break the immersion factor for a lot of people. Here's my pilot, I can do many things, but can only one thing at any single moment. It feels unrealistic flying around with, for example, a falcon alt, booster alt, tackling alt, scout alt, DPS alt, ewar alt etc.

Finally, having a high SP clone doesn't automatically make you 'better' as a lot of misconceptions seem to be propagated on this basis.

I do agree that clone costs SHOULD go up as your SP rises, but as of the current costs, they may be a tad high, but I hear CCP is making changes so we shall see what those bring.

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On a separate issue, for the ISK sink vs ISK faucet issue, while clone costs represent a not insignificant ISK sink, I agree with another poster above that cheaper clones = more PVP = more ships/stuff lost = more market transactions = more taxes

I can't be bothered to work out which is a larger ISK sink (i.e. more market taxes vs more expensive clones), but surely you can't be suggesting nerfing ISK faucets? If you are, then yes, I agree, we should definitely nerf ISK faucets, such as Null sec ratting/high sec level 4/incursions etc. Be prepared for the **** storm following any suggestions to balancing those things though vOv

Nothing is stopping a person from doing that.

Your statement is incorrect. Some bitter vets are shedding tears because it isn't fair.

Other are pointing out a game mechanic that might be detrimental to the game play.

Both want the same goal, but for different reasons.

Because developers aren't Gods, and sometimes make mistakes.

That's why we get patches every once in a while.

About 27 billion a day last time any numbers were published. Compare this to 120bn in market fees; 180bn in LP store fees; 500bn in NPC sell orders. All in all, roughly 2 trillion ISK is injected into the game on a daily basis and 1 trillion is sunk.

...the recent BPO price hike alone is enough to cancel out the utterly minute sink that would be lost if there were no clone costs at all. The loss of ~9bn from the upcoming 30% reduction in clone costs amounts to a rounding error in the overall faucet/sink balance.

older players make more money so the cost's of theyre living/playing/dieing should be higher .

If a 5 day player in a t1 frigate gets (example) 1 million from missions and in a pvp battle looses 500k of it , he will have left 500k right ?
If a 5 year player in a t1 frigate gets (example) 100 millions from missions and in pvp battle looses 500k , he will have left 99.500k like 99% , he doesnt lose anything almost AT ALL .

Im not saying a veteran must lose 50 millions , but a LOT more then a new player .
Profit's grow exponentially , i mean ships dont cost 1 million 2 millions 3 millions . they cost like 500k 5 millions 50 millions 200 and so on right ?

The rewards from different activities do also grow by a LOT , so the costs should

You guys blahblahing about isk syncs should actually be happy with the idea of getting clone costs removed and transfer this sync to market trading and fees, decrease trading skills effect on NPC taxes amount which would crate a higher isk sync than clones cost.
But I'm sure you guys don't want this, you don't care about isk syncs which are a poor minded excuse to justify you want to keep tràlàlà grieffing tools, or those you think they are.

You're wrong all the line, as you have been all over the years with your poor troglodyte ideas who want to keep this game running under XP with graphics from the 70's etc., you can't adapt to necessary changes but you will have to.

I've got another bad news for you to prove how wrong you are again, second character training ability in the same account is ON

Clones costs and the silliness it is has to go away, it's counter productive for all areas of the game as it is for the interest in playing on the long term, brings no benefit but assets that are nothing more than pixels coming and going.

This isn't necessarily true. Sure, traders probably have billions but clones don't effect them; or at least not in the same way.
I PvP (mainly on another account) and have very little money. I have enough to kit out another Hurricane when this one dies and then I'm forced down the PvE route to earn some isk again for combat (and I've been playing since 2006). I don't even like PvE but what other options are there for combat pilots?

The clones changes (any of them) don't really effect Highsec space (highsec is already too safe imo) but come and play in low and null and you'd soon see the effect. Null's already expensive enough through combat without having to add an unnecessary isk sink.

Another thing is it might encourage people to do combat with hardwires in rather than JC'ing into an empty clone to help reduce the already large cost. Having hardwire purely for PvE is silly as PvE is already far too simple and easy in Eve.

Very true, with one character in 0.0 (about 12 mill sp) I used to rat asteroid belts and half of those skills were mining/industry.


Some of these high sp people do have a mix of industry and combat. I've known people start out in industry then switch to combat. Also known people play only one high level character.


I have multiple accounts, of which 4 or 5 (at least 4 probably 5, no longer remember the details as I'm no longer using them but it doesn't matter to me). People say make an alt but there are people that don't want to make an alt even if it does mean that they could earn more efficiently in EVE. I'm actually one of those now, long gone are the days of me having alts (through choice) so it's this character or nothing come what may.

I wouldn't mind pumping more money into the market either (and the null market is generally much higher in cost that highsec due to supply). Be it tax or whatever as at least there are sklls that help reduce these things. There are no skills to reduce clones. I actually feel like I get something out of a ship and it's fitting as I learn what works, what doesn't work, etc. The cost of the clone offsets this as you're less likely to try different things in cheaper ships. Losing a clone in a 4bill mach fit is a drop in the ocean but it isn't when the ship costs 50% less than the clone. It makes no logical sense.

Eve prides itself on every action having a reaction; the longer you play, the longer you are forced to grind.