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Fire Hellmar (not the community team)

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RougeOperator
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#21 - 2011-10-19 22:58:10 UTC
Niraia wrote:
This is sad, and I agree in principle that management should have to suffer for such failures rather than workers, but I'm not sure that firing Hilmar is the best alternative. He's always seemed like a decent person to me, and his humble letter to the community earned more of my respect. What do most of us know about how he operates, short of what can be gathered from fanfest footage, devblogs, and second hand opinion? Is that enough to base such a strong opinion on? Do you think he might have any trusted managers offering him bad advice?

Web team should've been fired, anyway :p


You must not have watched his interviews and read his leaked stuff.

Guy is a joke. And he is killing CCP

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Bomberlocks
Bombercorp
#22 - 2011-10-19 23:02:14 UTC
Hilmar, just go. Give Mittens your job and give Torfi's to Seleene and Zulu's to Trebor.
Raid'En
#23 - 2011-10-19 23:03:59 UTC
note sure about firing hellmar being a good idea, but i really don't understand the logic on firing the comunity team when they said they will communicate more with us...
Kern Hotha
#24 - 2011-10-19 23:06:25 UTC
Agreed, start the firings at the top with the people who made all the poor business decisions.

We distinguish the excellent man from the common man by saying that the former is the one who makes great demands upon himself, and the latter who makes no demands on himself.

Jose Ortega y Gasset (1883 - 1955)
adopt
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#25 - 2011-10-19 23:08:27 UTC
You speak the truth brother.

/me Raises fist in respect
The Apostle
Doomheim
#26 - 2011-10-19 23:09:57 UTC
Kitty McKitty wrote:
(fire hellmar)... and not the goddamned community team who are awesome at trying to damage control your constant upper managerial fuckups.

I honestly dont understand how CCP management go from damage control, lets save face by communicating with our paying customers and FIXING stuff they need to DERP LETS FIRE THE COMMUNITY TEAM.

THOUGHT FOR THE DAY

So if you fire the CEO (instigator of said constant upper managerial fuckups) why would you need a (goddamned community team who are awesome at trying to damage control) to fix what (instigator of said constant upper managerial fuckups) ****** up?

C'mon Kitty. Need better than that. Blink

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Belisarius Xenophon
Buzzkill Joy Club
#27 - 2011-10-19 23:10:09 UTC
Obviously this was necessary.

Community Rep: Mr. CEO, the subscribers are rioting and screaming at our failures! They're unsubscribing in mass!

Mr. CEO: Easily solved. Off with the heads of the community team!

-- chopping sounds offstage --

Mr. CEO: Ah, sweet, sweet silence. I must be winning!
Renan Ruivo
Forcas armadas
Brave Collective
#28 - 2011-10-19 23:10:39 UTC
Didn't they fired everyone who lived in the states? Didn't the entire community team worked from the states?

The world is a community of idiots doing a series of things until it explodes and we all die.
RougeOperator
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#29 - 2011-10-19 23:11:42 UTC
Belisarius Xenophon wrote:
Obviously this was necessary.

Community Rep: Mr. CEO, the subscribers are rioting and screaming at our failures! They're unsubscribing in mass!

Mr. CEO: Easily solved. Off with the heads of the community team!

-- chopping sounds offstage --

Mr. CEO: Ah, sweet, sweet silence. I must be winning!


At times I wish there was a MEGA like option.

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Mina Sebiestar
Minmatar Inner Space Conglomerate
#30 - 2011-10-19 23:13:08 UTC
This game need less politics and turnabout to roots....

I dislike any cuts in work force because it means something is steaming down the hill.

And this game cant take much downhill stuff imho.

When all this thing started i wanted Hillmar to go now not so much and caring less and less for the game in general.

You choke behind a smile a fake behind the fear

Because >>I is too hard
Grimpak
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#31 - 2011-10-19 23:13:16 UTC
Renan Ruivo wrote:
Didn't they fired everyone who lived in the states? Didn't the entire community team worked from the states?

while it seems that they are firing the wrong people, I must ask about this.

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Kengutsi Akira
Doomheim
#32 - 2011-10-19 23:14:34 UTC
How would you get forum banned there are no mods

"Is it fair that CCP can get away with..." :: checks ownership on the box ::

Yes
non judgement
Without Fear
Flying Burning Ships Alliance
#33 - 2011-10-19 23:16:10 UTC
If you want to fire the CEO of a private company, you are basically saying you want CCP to stop altogether. Like you'd only be happy if everyone should find new jobs.

It's almost like you're saying you don't want Eve to exist anymore.
Cailais
The Red Pill Taker Group
#34 - 2011-10-19 23:18:34 UTC
In the midst of a global depression CCP delivers:

$1000 jeans
$80 virtual monocles
Sacked staff

Pretty much sums up all you need to know tbh.

C.
RougeOperator
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#35 - 2011-10-19 23:19:02 UTC
non judgement wrote:
If you want to fire the CEO of a private company, you are basically saying you want CCP to stop altogether. Like you'd only be happy if everyone should find new jobs.

It's almost like you're saying you don't want Eve to exist anymore.



CCP has a 7 person board you know.

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Neutra RaVe
Interstellar eXodus
#36 - 2011-10-19 23:20:31 UTC
Don't worry... SWTOR is just around the corner... A new MMORPG will be here soon to release you of your EVE Online addiction.
Kengutsi Akira
Doomheim
#37 - 2011-10-19 23:24:39 UTC
RougeOperator wrote:
Niraia wrote:
This is sad, and I agree in principle that management should have to suffer for such failures rather than workers, but I'm not sure that firing Hilmar is the best alternative. He's always seemed like a decent person to me, and his humble letter to the community earned more of my respect. What do most of us know about how he operates, short of what can be gathered from fanfest footage, devblogs, and second hand opinion? Is that enough to base such a strong opinion on? Do you think he might have any trusted managers offering him bad advice?

Web team should've been fired, anyway :p


You must not have watched his interviews and read his leaked stuff.

Guy is a joke. And he is killing CCP


Holy crap my old ass bookmark actually helps

http://www.evenews24.com/2011/06/25/ccp-hilmar-global-email-shows-the-reasoning-behind-ccp-zulu-devblog/

"Is it fair that CCP can get away with..." :: checks ownership on the box ::

Yes
non judgement
Without Fear
Flying Burning Ships Alliance
#38 - 2011-10-19 23:25:28 UTC
RougeOperator wrote:
non judgement wrote:
If you want to fire the CEO of a private company, you are basically saying you want CCP to stop altogether. Like you'd only be happy if everyone should find new jobs.

It's almost like you're saying you don't want Eve to exist anymore.


CCP has a 7 person board you know.

Well, in anycase, if someone else took over, you don't even know if they'd do any better or if they wouldn't just do the same things anyway.

It's wonderful to call for someones removal without even knowing who'd replace them and if things would actaully improve afterwards.
Kengutsi Akira
Doomheim
#39 - 2011-10-19 23:26:10 UTC
Raid'En wrote:
note sure about firing hellmar being a good idea, but i really don't understand the logic on firing the comunity team when they said they will communicate more with us...


THIS

for all those who think this may be the begining of them talking to us MORE think of this

They fired this lot when they threatened to talk to us MORE

"Is it fair that CCP can get away with..." :: checks ownership on the box ::

Yes
The Apostle
Doomheim
#40 - 2011-10-19 23:27:30 UTC
Grimpak wrote:
Renan Ruivo wrote:
Didn't they fired everyone who lived in the states? Didn't the entire community team worked from the states?

while it seems that they are firing the wrong people, I must ask about this.

Not to make light.

Payback? Twisted

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