EVE General Discussion

EVE once had 2000 people online.

I wouldn't base predictions on DUST off of EVE's history.

Posting in a stealth "I really want dust on PC even though that would kill the game," thread.

The wall of QQ and whines in Dust 514 GD is worst than EvE GD.

Something is NOT right!

I wouldn't judge Uprising on what you read on the Dust forums, far too many attention seeking shiptoasters QQing over nothing - even more than EVE GD...

FPSMMOs generally don't "grow" after release. The first few weeks will most likely as good as it gets for Dust. Just look at some other examples out there, eg. Planetside 2. It's a great game by all means, but it's population quickly fell after the initial launch boom.

It's simply the nature of the MMOFPS game market; it doesn't behave like traditional games in the genre. Dust might turn out to be successful in its own right, but I wouldn't bet on it growing over time like EVE did.

Could have told you long ago Dust would be fail if launched on PS3. The whole training skills in order to play a shooter just doesn't work with the target player base.. FPS-fans are as different from EVE-fans as worms from lions.. CCP couldn't have gotten further away from what they are used to dealing with and producing for, feel sorry for CCP. Good devs but **** for brains management crew up there.

They produced Dust with money from EVE subscribers and then made a game inaccessible to PC-gamers, lolz.
Out of all the games that would have interacted with EVE (a tombraider-style adventure game set in the EVE-universe, a simcity style planet builder that interacts with our market, an rpg or rts set in EVE) they had to go with a flavour of the month, zero brains PS3 shooter. Tweens just became the target audience it seems... Understand who can... They are mixing into an already saturated market were only the best titles stay alive and where 2-3 major players own the market.. Why?
Why couldn't they have produced a game that we would love playing as well. They would have near half a million potential buyers of the bat already for a PC game built for an intelligent audience that would interact with EVE.

I own a PS3 for my son but would never touch it myself and I certainly would never play something as dull and inspirationless as a first person shooter.

CCP management keeps proving they live in an ivory tower. Who are these people who make those calls? Fire them already as they haven't got a clue what people want and what their target demographic is. Even in EVE itself, their bread and butter, they have made some very questionable calls these past years. Who are these people they listen to? Hired management brought in from the US to cash in quickly without having an eye on the future? Many devs are on here talking directly to the players every day, they must know what players want and complain about.. obviously somewhere up the chain they are being ignored at CCP.

Edit: I would gladly come up there and tell you guys for free what gamers want and are interested in. I could also tell you who you reach demographically. When a company systematically ignores its customers they are doomed. What the people who pay the bills want matters, nothing else. Get it through your heads.. instead of wanting what you don't have work with what you do have and produce a superior product. And you know what, when you successfully produce a superior product those people you didn't have will come as well.

Wake up!

I'll end with a conversation I had with 27 year old PS3/FPS loving bud of mine. (He plays for his stats and competes with RL friends about the same age, same game every night more or less)
Me: Hey, you know EVE online I play, they have made a shooter set in the game.
Him: EVE online, you still play that.. Isn't that like really old?
M: Yea, but patches, never old, bigger then ever...
H: Ah...
M: So, it's free to play, called Dust and you are in the EVE world...
H: Ah.. yea I really only play COD when it comes to shooters, so do my friends...
M: Won't you even try?
H: Nah, everyone is on COD, have fun there, you know me and X did 24 kills without dieing the other day bla bla
M: Ah...

So that is the extent of someone who doesn't like EVE's interest in a game produced by CCP, they connect the name, EVE online with the new game and that it takes place in our universe is even a negative thing. It actually keeps some people from trying. Had 2 similar reactions from 2 other PS3 buds when I told them about dust.

Day one of popular FPS peak at launch then steadily decline as new FPS get launched. I think people think that Dust will follow the same trajectory as EvE, gaining support over time.

Name EvE's competition. Name Dust's competition.

Dust =/= EvE

Hi I come from the console community(SOCOM, Killzone, Splinter cell, warhawk, Brink, Starhawk, etc) I'm a shooter player in and out but not necessarily a CoD player(what did you think that was the only kind?) and have been dying for some time for a shooter with the depth that Dust 514 provides. I enjoy the community never found anything like it on another console title and that might be a virtue of a small player base. I enjoy the wide progression that forces you to make hard choices and compromises to get the most out of your own play style.

I'm loving being at least a small part of huge sprawling universe with a history made from, and lore influenced by actual players

It's a mistake to lump all the people who own a console together as one type of customer. This is exactly what some of us have been looking for.

The current uprising build can be said to have faults but the majority of negative feedback really is just QQ. A whole lot of things changed at once and it feels alien to some. What is that phrase passed around here again? I'll be around for awhile yet just to see where this goes.

p.s. I'm probably going to keep my pilot license up to date also as these submarines you call spacecraft are a special breed of awesome.

"DUST is dying! CCP are going down the drain! This is the next Incarna! QQ!"

Sigh. Give me a break.

I remember when I'd login to EVE, and it'd only have a few thousand players on. They continued to improve the game, and its persistant universe slowly grew over time, as flash-in-the-pan competitors rose quickly and fell hard.

Its free to play nature and links with EVE will, in the long run, vindicate it. Patience, people.