These forums have been archived and are now read-only.

The new forums are live and can be found at https://forums.eveonline.com/

EVE General Discussion

 
  • Topic is locked indefinitely.
 

Show some fn respect!

First post
Author
Previous Topic Next Topic
Zoe Alarhun
The Proactive Reappropriation Corporation
#121 - 2011-10-20 04:28:13 UTC
I dunno - I think it's a bit drastic to slam CCP for the cuts. I'll wait and see what happens, but I think it's to early to crucify CCP.
Da Vinci Code
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#122 - 2011-10-20 04:33:44 UTC
Posting in a CCP Upper Management Alt Thread.
Da Vinci Code
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#123 - 2011-10-20 04:35:32 UTC
Why Doesn't CCP Upper Management take a 20% pay cut instead of firing those poor people before the holidays?
Headerman
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#124 - 2011-10-20 04:38:12 UTC
Da Vinci Code wrote:
Why Doesn't CCP Upper Management take a 20% pay cut instead of firing those poor people before the holidays?


They probably already have?

Australian Fanfest Event https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&find=unread&t=90062
Reverand Pastor
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#125 - 2011-10-20 04:40:18 UTC
Do you know what happens when you assume?
Dessau
The Scope
#126 - 2011-10-20 04:46:29 UTC
Da Vinci Code wrote:
Why Doesn't CCP Upper Management take a 20% pay cut instead of firing those poor people before the holidays?

Can't be seen at the Yacht Club wearing jeans costing only $800. People will talk.
Swooshie
USA Canada Private Corp
#127 - 2011-10-20 04:49:21 UTC
I tend to agree with The Apostle's views quite a bit on many subjects and often appreciate his leveled head and this topic is no exception. I agree that credit is due when credit is deserved and it is true that EVE was brought to us by those seniors such as Hillmar.

But, for the sake of being fair, let's not forget that some geniuses and great innovators of this world fell prey to greed and complacency before and doomed what they worked so hard to accomplish in the long run.

I am not saying this is the case, I have nowhere near the proper information to even begin to form a judgment.

I just wanted to remind the OP, in the name of sound reasoning, that such as strong position based on strong convictions such as the ones he is displaying do, in fact, have a risk of being wrong despite their apparently undeniable logic at first glance.

TL;DR : It is possible to become a moron/tyrant/prick and more even after being the creator or initiator of something of immense greatness. BUT I have no pretension of saying that it is what happened here!

"It is when I think about meaning that I lose what I meant to say."     -Swooshie
Reverand Pastor
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#128 - 2011-10-20 04:54:45 UTC
Couldnt agree more The Apostle is taking the stance of "people who are pissed off are wrong" wich is a bad stance to take for any type of dialouge. Arguing against facts makes you look Baghdad Bobbish and narrow minded. There are facts laid out by the playerbase AND CCP that support the stand a large swath of people are taking. Telling people do not behave this way is asinine and completely counter-productive
Surfin's PlunderBunny
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#129 - 2011-10-20 05:01:32 UTC
In here showing some FN respect!Pirate

"Little ginger moron" ~David Hasselhoff 

Want to see what Surf is training or how little isk Surf has?  http://eveboard.com/pilot/Surfin%27s_PlunderBunny
The Apostle
Doomheim
#130 - 2011-10-20 05:30:52 UTC
Reverand Pastor wrote:
Couldnt agree more The Apostle is taking the stance of "people who are pissed off are wrong" wich is a bad stance to take for any type of dialouge. Arguing against facts makes you look Baghdad Bobbish and narrow minded. There are facts laid out by the playerbase AND CCP that support the stand a large swath of people are taking. Telling people do not behave this way is asinine and completely counter-productive

Never said the posters were wrong. Never said CCP was right or wrong.

What I said was show some respect for the people involved - including senior management. If anyone seriously thinks anyone in CCP is laughing and chilling out while all this is going down....

Yeah. nuff said.




[i]Take an aspirin. If pain persists consult your local priest. WTB: An Austrian kangaroo![/i]
The Apostle
Doomheim
#131 - 2011-10-20 05:43:58 UTC  |  Edited by: The Apostle
Swooshie wrote:
I just wanted to remind the OP, in the name of sound reasoning, that such as strong position based on strong convictions such as the ones he is displaying do, in fact, have a risk of being wrong despite their apparently undeniable logic at first glance.

One thing I have tried very carefully in this thread was to avoid terms like right and wrong, said as much in my last post.

In situations such as faced by CCP, what got them to here may have been wrong. The "fix" as it were may also be wrong. It may prove right but one thing remains quite clear and it's an ethos I have always lived by.

The wise use foresight to practise being foolish - The foolish use hindsight to practise being wise.

Put simply, we can all claim unlimited expertise in all things once the "writing is on the wall". Of course we can.

Someone came along and wrote it.

[i]Take an aspirin. If pain persists consult your local priest. WTB: An Austrian kangaroo![/i]
shashe sin
Doomheim
#132 - 2011-10-20 06:12:00 UTC
lol, this thread lives on. No lock yet... :P
The Apostle
Doomheim
#133 - 2011-10-20 06:14:44 UTC
shashe sin wrote:
lol, this thread lives on. No lock yet... :P

So true. Sitting here waiting for it to go.

Maybe it's 'cos I'm tryna be nice. Roll

[i]Take an aspirin. If pain persists consult your local priest. WTB: An Austrian kangaroo![/i]
Swooshie
USA Canada Private Corp
#134 - 2011-10-20 06:26:52 UTC
The Apostle wrote:
One thing I have tried very carefully in this thread was to avoid terms like right and wrong, said as much in my last post.


I'm sorry, I must have expressed myself wrongly. I didn't mean by wrong what CCP did now or in the past. I meant that the assumption that because someone did something nice in the past (like making an incredible PC game, for instance) shields them from harsh critics if one day they turn presumptuous, greedy or or complacent and, as a result, end up destroying that one nice thing they created.

As for respect for people, it SHOULD be a given, I always forget that forums are place where basic notions such as respecting other persons and separating acts and contentions from the persons are often forgotten. I don't remember seeing you at fault on that, ever.

AS for judging if the solutions are right or wrong, as I said, I can not know and will not pass anything other than mere thoughts since I have no knowledge to back any judgment.

"It is when I think about meaning that I lose what I meant to say."     -Swooshie
The Apostle
Doomheim
#135 - 2011-10-20 06:26:57 UTC
Da Vinci Code wrote:
Posting in a CCP Upper Management Alt Thread.


Da Vinci Code wrote:
Why Doesn't CCP Upper Management take a 20% pay cut instead of firing those poor people before the holidays?

Because we need to be paid properly to post in CCP Upper Management Alt Threads'.

duh.

[i]Take an aspirin. If pain persists consult your local priest. WTB: An Austrian kangaroo![/i]
The Apostle
Doomheim
#136 - 2011-10-20 06:30:27 UTC
Swooshie wrote:
The Apostle wrote:
One thing I have tried very carefully in this thread was to avoid terms like right and wrong, said as much in my last post.


I'm sorry, I must have expressed myself wrongly. I didn't mean by wrong what CCP did now or in the past. I meant that the assumption that because someone did something nice in the past (like making an incredible PC game, for instance) shields them from harsh critics if one day they turn presumptuous, greedy or or complacent and, as a result, end up destroying that one nice thing they created.

As for respect for people, it SHOULD be a given, I always forget that forums are place where basic notions such as respecting other persons and separating acts and contentions from the persons are often forgotten. I don't remember seeing you at fault on that, ever.

AS for judging if the solutions are right or wrong, as I said, I can not know and will not pass anything other than mere thoughts since I have no knowledge to back any judgment.

Are you married?

I've revoked my vow of silence (as you can plainly see)
I've revoked my vow of chastity (so I can **** with G&&ns)
I've revoked my vow of poverty ( I got lots of iskies).

May as well get married.

[i]Take an aspirin. If pain persists consult your local priest. WTB: An Austrian kangaroo![/i]
Dinsdale Pirannha
Pirannha Corp
#137 - 2011-10-20 06:49:38 UTC
The Apostle wrote:


Regardless, as an ex employer who has had to lay staff off, it is the hardest, most gut wrenching job you will ever possibly have to do. There will be some very, very sad senior management in CCP over the coming weeks and if you REALLY knew these things you wouldn't be so bloody thoughtless and insensitive.

Show some fn respect - to both the dismissed staff and to the people who have had to make the toughest call there is.


Blah blah blah....we are to feel sorry for the managers that just destroyed how many lives and families?
What planet do you live on?

My ex-company wiped out 3000 people in one day, the same day the CEO was in Bangalore India announcing the company was doubling it's workforce to 40,000 there in 2 years.

Managers are slime. The higher you go in the company, the the worse they get.
Sympathy for the people doing the firing....yeah right. I am sure they will sleep terribly as they get their paycheque, over and over, while all the people they turfed are ruined......

Upper management is of course immune to the disaster they have created. That is the way of business in most cases.
There is a reason that the behaviour of a corporation has been equated to the behaviour of psychpaths by many studies.
To advance in a large business you have to display said psychopathic behaviour.

Hilmar just proved he has joined that club, and you sound like you want a membership too.
JC Anderson
RED ROSE THORN
#138 - 2011-10-20 06:53:27 UTC
I already miss CCP Fallout, CCP Zymurgist, CCP Wrangler, and CCP Pann. :(

Horrible time of the year for anybody to be let go in all honesty.
CCP Spitfire
C C P
C C P Alliance
#139 - 2011-10-20 07:11:55 UTC
JC Anderson wrote:
I already miss CCP Fallout, CCP Zymurgist, CCP Wrangler, and CCP Pann. :(

Horrible time of the year for anybody to be let go in all honesty.


We miss them too. However, please keep the discussion here.

*click*

CCP Spitfire | Marketing & Sales Team @ccp_spitfire