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RougeOperator
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#21 - 2011-10-19 21:31:33 UTC
Grey Stormshadow wrote:
RougeOperator wrote:

Ill take under consideration what you say as soon as you can answer for me why Hilmar Veigar Pétursson. Still has a job?

I can answer if you don't understand by yourself.

- He made mistakes
- He admitted that he made mistakes
- He is honestly sorry about the mistakes and learned plenty from them
- He committed to return EvE back to track and increase communication to prevent similiar stuff happening in future
- He is making necessary adjustments to recover from the mistakes and setting sail to new course

Today's actions are part of the difficult recovery process.

Even good CEO may make mistakes as long he has enough balls take the responsibility if crap hits the fan. Hilmar is doing just this.
Laying your own employees off is most difficult task you can give yourself. It isn't easy and you don't take it lightly. You do it only if it is inevitable to prevent even worse events.



You really think that he learned anything when it took him MONTHS to admit anything? The doubles down on stupid shortly after?

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Xymethian
Perkone
Caldari State
#22 - 2011-10-19 21:34:09 UTC
Gas thread, ban OP.
Janos Saal
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#23 - 2011-10-19 21:35:41 UTC
Grey Stormshadow wrote:

Even good CEO may make mistakes

yeah thats great but were talking about hilmar

EVE is dead
Mallak Azaria
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#24 - 2011-10-19 21:36:07 UTC
The Apostle wrote:
I awoke this morning (Australia) to read the recent news about CCP job layoffs.

There are some good posts supportive of CCP and there are also some extremely insensitive dicks emerging from the woodwork.

And for mine, the dicks need to be belted for being the short range, self-centred aholes they are.

For all CCP's weaknesses they are also one of the great visionaries in the world of gaming. Visionaries always do it tougher than the follow the leader type businesses. They attract greater risk in every venture by being so.

Just like Eve. It was risky, it was visionary. It worked. Some latter stuff hasn't had time to emerge yet to be able to gauge the good/bad yet. Put simply, half of the huff and puff going on in Eve about CCP is just mindless drivel from no more than spoiled brats who have nfi and it's about time you stfu or gtfo.

In all of this, we're forgetting that the very people that made the decisions that made Eve are also the very people that had to pass on the bad news to several employees and subsequently their families. You know REAL people, with REAL lives...

The reality in all of this, despite some of the uninformed commentary to the contrary, you simply cannot sack managment to save a company. You can restructure, you can dump some middle staff but you cannot start at the top. Period.

Regardless, as an ex employer who has had to lay staff off, it is the hardest, most gut wrenching job you will ever possibly have to do. There will be some very, very sad senior management in CCP over the coming weeks and if you REALLY knew these things you wouldn't be so bloody thoughtless and insensitive.

Show some fn respect - to both the dismissed staff and to the people who have had to make the toughest call there is.


Why do people like you insist on making all Aussies look bad?

Also, confirming OP is mad.

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The Apostle
Doomheim
#25 - 2011-10-19 21:39:03 UTC
Kengutsi Akira wrote:
not even trollin, this is eve
respect an eve dont exactly go hand in hand

It's extraordinary to think that actions IN a game has ramifications OUT of game....

If that's not true, tell that to the staff searching Positions Vacant.

So either

1) "The Protests" in Eve have caused this therefore we are much more powerful in REAL life than we know and we're using a game interface to do so!

2) This has nothing to do with "The Protests" (it's only a game) which means all commentary about RL people are void.

If 1, then some OUT of game respect, dignity and empathy for RL people must apply and we need to use the game interface to do it.

If 2, then be harsh by all means but then you can't use RL people or practices to justify the commentary.

We must either except they are mutually exclusive or they are not.

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Grog Barrel
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#26 - 2011-10-19 21:39:49 UTC  |  Edited by: Grog Barrel
I really hope for the Apostle being a WiDot poaster (edit: in disguise).
Smoking Blunts
ZC Omega
#27 - 2011-10-19 21:40:21 UTC
is this the same respect that hilmar has shown the player base over the last 2 years?

i dont wanna get the respect wrong and upset the op even more

OMG when can i get a pic here
Martinez
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#28 - 2011-10-19 21:44:43 UTC
Most the the replies have been very respectful. I would say more than 80%. As for where the angry is directed it should be at the Hilmar. He ran the ship aground and is using the bottom 20% to stand on while people try and fix the boat. I love Eve I hope it works.

As for the Meat Floats, sorry about your jobs guys. I myself have been in the spot and it sucks. GL finding a new job and looking at some of the jobs being posted on the the forums I am sure you all can get back on your feet.
Skunk Gracklaw
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#29 - 2011-10-19 21:46:13 UTC
Grog Barrel wrote:
I really hope for the Apostle being a WiDot poaster (edit: in disguise).

We used to think he was a Riverini alt but not even Riverini would make a thread this horrible.
Astrid Stjerna
Sebiestor Tribe
#30 - 2011-10-19 21:46:52 UTC
RougeOperator wrote:

Ill take under consideration what you say as soon as you can answer for me why Hilmar Veigar Pétursson. Still has a job?


Because when you axe the top management, your investors get very nervous. They put signifigant amounts of capital at risk to fund the company, and a fired CEO screams 'internal conflict' and 'hostile takeover' -- which any investor worth his salt will look at very carefully when it next comes time to pay the bills.

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Haulin Aussie
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#31 - 2011-10-19 21:46:57 UTC
Xymethian wrote:
Gas thread, ban OP.



Makes me sad to be an Australian when I see bears like OP riding CCP and their :awesome"
The Apostle
Doomheim
#32 - 2011-10-19 21:48:28 UTC
Mallak Azaria wrote:
The Apostle wrote:
I awoke this morning (Australia) to read the recent news about CCP job layoffs.
.......


Why do people like you insist on making all Aussies look bad?

Also, confirming OP is mad.

That's the most un Australian thing I've heard for a long time. Check your postcode. Does it have 4 digits?

Confirming OP is angry and mad.

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The Apostle
Doomheim
#33 - 2011-10-19 21:52:00 UTC
Jigoku Tomi wrote:
Still thinking about my response to last night's events.

It might be a WoT I'm afraid.

So TA you city based or in some shack someplace?

Option 3) I live in a shack in a city.

jk

Recently ex city - returned to "bush" for tree change.

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Grey Stormshadow
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#34 - 2011-10-19 22:01:00 UTC  |  Edited by: Grey Stormshadow
RougeOperator wrote:
Grey Stormshadow wrote:
RougeOperator wrote:

Ill take under consideration what you say as soon as you can answer for me why Hilmar Veigar Pétursson. Still has a job?

I can answer if you don't understand by yourself.

- He made mistakes
- He admitted that he made mistakes
- He is honestly sorry about the mistakes and learned plenty from them
- He committed to return EvE back to track and increase communication to prevent similiar stuff happening in future
- He is making necessary adjustments to recover from the mistakes and setting sail to new course

Today's actions are part of the difficult recovery process.

Even good CEO may make mistakes as long he has enough balls take the responsibility if crap hits the fan. Hilmar is doing just this.
Laying your own employees off is most difficult task you can give yourself. It isn't easy and you don't take it lightly. You do it only if it is inevitable to prevent even worse events.

You really think that he learned anything when it took him MONTHS to admit anything? The doubles down on stupid shortly after?

Well would you be happier if we had someone who would not admit his mistakes at all before entire corporation is dead. World is full of that kind of leaders.

I surely am not happy that CCP is in this point today and it is most certainly Hilmar's fault, but at least he goes clean with it.
I was yelling loud about replacing Hilmar during the protests, but after his latest blog I finally started to have some faith to the guy again. He certainly has earned the right to "try again". I wouldn't trade him to some "fresh blood" just to watch rerun of same mistakes what have been made in past few years.

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Jaiimez Skor
The Infamous.
#35 - 2011-10-19 22:02:39 UTC
Grey Stormshadow wrote:
RougeOperator wrote:

Ill take under consideration what you say as soon as you can answer for me why Hilmar Veigar Pétursson. Still has a job?

I can answer if you don't understand by yourself.

- He made mistakes
- He admitted that he made mistakes
- He is honestly sorry about the mistakes and learned plenty from them
- He committed to return EvE back to track and increase communication to prevent similiar stuff happening in future
- He is making necessary adjustments to recover from the mistakes and setting sail to new course

Today's actions are part of the difficult recovery process.

Even good CEO may make mistakes as long he has enough balls take the responsibility if crap hits the fan. Hilmar is doing just this.
Laying your own employees off is most difficult task you can give yourself. It isn't easy and you don't take it lightly. You do it only if it is inevitable to prevent even worse events. Every worker you fire you fire because of your own mistakes. That really makes you think what being humble means.



I believe also the nature of how CCP is ran it is not a publically owned company, that means there is no board of directors, it means Hilmar is the boss, there is nobody who can fire him, he is the head of the company, there is no board of directors to vote him outta the job, the only way he can lose it is if #1 he quits due to pressure from the community or staffing, or #2 his company goes to hell because everybody leaves in protest or it isn't making money.

I also do not believe Hilmar deserves to be sacked, he has screwed up he knows that, I do not believe that CCP are only after fattening their wallets unlike what alot of people say I do believe they are trying to make more money, but they're a business that's what businesses do, but I also believe the extra money will be reinvested into EvE as well as their other projects.




Although on a different note, i'm slightly confused, how is realising you're stretched too thin and trying to do too much with not enough people mean you have to reduce staff numbers, surely if you don't have enough people, the best thing is to employ more, the only reason you'd lay people off if there are finanacial concerns and you cannot afford to employ more staff to make up for the extra hours needed to not be stretched thing, or you are concerned that the company has become too large too fast, and it is part of the reason for the lack of communication and other issues and wish to downsize and get the company back to how it previously was.

Knowing CCP I wouldn't be suprised if it is in an attempt to fix their communication issues and get back to being that close friendly developers that we all love, rather than becoming so large they have to become too corporate and cold to the community to avoid any issues with communication.
Smoking Blunts
ZC Omega
#36 - 2011-10-19 22:05:24 UTC
Jaiimez Skor wrote:
Grey Stormshadow wrote:
RougeOperator wrote:

Ill take under consideration what you say as soon as you can answer for me why Hilmar Veigar Pétursson. Still has a job?

I can answer if you don't understand by yourself.

- He made mistakes
- He admitted that he made mistakes
- He is honestly sorry about the mistakes and learned plenty from them
- He committed to return EvE back to track and increase communication to prevent similiar stuff happening in future
- He is making necessary adjustments to recover from the mistakes and setting sail to new course

Today's actions are part of the difficult recovery process.

Even good CEO may make mistakes as long he has enough balls take the responsibility if crap hits the fan. Hilmar is doing just this.
Laying your own employees off is most difficult task you can give yourself. It isn't easy and you don't take it lightly. You do it only if it is inevitable to prevent even worse events. Every worker you fire you fire because of your own mistakes. That really makes you think what being humble means.



I believe also the nature of how CCP is ran it is not a publically owned company, that means there is no board of directors, it means Hilmar is the boss, there is nobody who can fire him, he is the head of the company, there is no board of directors to vote him outta the job, the only way he can lose it is if #1 he quits due to pressure from the community or staffing, or #2 his company goes to hell because everybody leaves in protest or it isn't making money.

I also do not believe Hilmar deserves to be sacked, he has screwed up he knows that, I do not believe that CCP are only after fattening their wallets unlike what alot of people say I do believe they are trying to make more money, but they're a business that's what businesses do, but I also believe the extra money will be reinvested into EvE as well as their other projects.




Although on a different note, i'm slightly confused, how is realising you're stretched too thin and trying to do too much with not enough people mean you have to reduce staff numbers, surely if you don't have enough people, the best thing is to employ more, the only reason you'd lay people off if there are finanacial concerns and you cannot afford to employ more staff to make up for the extra hours needed to not be stretched thing, or you are concerned that the company has become too large too fast, and it is part of the reason for the lack of communication and other issues and wish to downsize and get the company back to how it previously was.

Knowing CCP I wouldn't be suprised if it is in an attempt to fix their communication issues and get back to being that close friendly developers that we all love, rather than becoming so large they have to become too corporate and cold to the community to avoid any issues with communication.



hilmar is that you?

he is running eve and ccp into the ground. you can not fix your communitaction with the community by sacking the community reps. thats like running a pub and not buying beer

OMG when can i get a pic here
RougeOperator
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#37 - 2011-10-19 22:07:31 UTC
Smoking Blunts wrote:



hilmar is that you?

he is running eve and ccp into the ground. you can not fix your communitaction with the community by sacking the community reps. thats like running a pub and not buying beer



More like showing the customer the beer then smashing it on the ground in front of them. Then tell them to lick it up while dodging shards of glass.

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Barakkus
#38 - 2011-10-19 22:09:55 UTC
Smoking Blunts wrote:

he is running eve and ccp into the ground. you can not fix your communitaction with the community by sacking the community reps. thats like running a pub and not buying beer


While I don't like the list of who they laid off, some of them were my fav CCP personalities, I would like to know how you would get anything actually coded and produced with just community reps...

The PR people are always the first to go in these situations, unfortunately those positions are expendable. It REALLY sucks, but you're not going to get any 3D modeling or coding out of a PR person, no matter how much you try, unless they are actually developers as well...I'm pretty sure most of the people on the list so far are not actual grunt developers.

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Reverand Pastor
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#39 - 2011-10-19 22:12:28 UTC
The people laid off is a big concern. Community Devs and Mods have been axed. The people who are the link between ccp and player base. This is while touting new interaction between us and the company. so strange.
RougeOperator
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#40 - 2011-10-19 22:12:46 UTC
Barakkus wrote:
Smoking Blunts wrote:

he is running eve and ccp into the ground. you can not fix your communitaction with the community by sacking the community reps. thats like running a pub and not buying beer


While I don't like the list of who they laid off, some of them were my fav CCP personalities, I would like to know how you would get anything actually coded and produced with just community reps...

The PR people are always the first to go in these situations, unfortunately those positions are expendable. It REALLY sucks, but you're not going to get any 3D modeling or coding out of a PR person, no matter how much you try, unless they are actually developers as well...I'm pretty sure most of the people on the list so far are not actual grunt developers.



Have EPIC amounts of terrible PR.

KILL YOUR PR TEAM

MAKES PERFECT SENSE.

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