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The Apostle
Doomheim
#1 - 2011-10-19 21:03:13 UTC  |  Edited by: The Apostle
I awoke this morning (Australia) to read the recent news about CCP job layoffs.

There are some good posts supportive of CCP and there are also some extremely insensitive dicks emerging from the woodwork.

And for mine, the dicks need to be belted for being the short range, self-centred aholes they are.

For all CCP's weaknesses they are also one of the great visionaries in the world of gaming. Visionaries always do it tougher than the follow the leader type businesses. They attract greater risk in every venture by being so.

Just like Eve. It was risky, it was visionary. It worked. Some latter stuff hasn't had time to emerge yet to be able to gauge the good/bad yet. Put simply, half of the huff and puff going on in Eve about CCP is just mindless drivel from no more than spoiled brats who have nfi and it's about time you stfu or gtfo.

In all of this, we're forgetting that the very people that made the decisions that made Eve are also the very people that had to pass on the bad news to several employees and subsequently their families. You know REAL people, with REAL lives...

The reality in all of this, despite some of the uninformed commentary to the contrary, you simply cannot sack managment to save a company. You can restructure, you can dump some middle staff but you cannot start at the top. Period.

Regardless, as an ex employer who has had to lay staff off, it is the hardest, most gut wrenching job you will ever possibly have to do. There will be some very, very sad senior management in CCP over the coming weeks and if you REALLY knew these things you wouldn't be so bloody thoughtless and insensitive.

Show some fn respect - to both the dismissed staff and to the people who have had to make the toughest call there is.

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Chribba
Otherworld Enterprises
Otherworld Empire
#2 - 2011-10-19 21:05:42 UTC
People will always find something to whine about...

edit/not talking about OP.

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RougeOperator
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#3 - 2011-10-19 21:06:24 UTC
The Apostle wrote:
I awoke this morning (Australia) to read the recent news about CCP job layoffs.

There are some good posts supportive of CCP and there are also some extremely insensitive dicks emerging from the woodwork.

And for mine, the dicks need to be belted for being the short range, self-centred aholes they are.

For all CCP's weaknesses they are also one of the great visionaries in the world of gaming. Visionaries always do it tougher than the follow the leader type businesses. They attract greater risk in every venture by being so.

Just like Eve. It was risky, it was visionary. It worked. Some latter stuff hasn't had time to emerge yet to be able to gauge the good/bad yet. Put simply, half of the huff and puff going on in Eve about CCP is just mindless drivel from no more than spoiled brats who have nfi and it's about time you stfu or gtfo.

In all of this, we're forgetting that the very people that made the decisions that made Eve are also the very people that had to pass on the bad news to several employees and subsequently their families. You know REAL people, with REAL lives...

The reality in all of this, despite some of the uninformed commentary to the contrary, you simply cannot sack managment to save a company. You can restructure, you can dump some middle staff but you cannot start at the top. Period.

Regardless, as an ex employer who has had to lay staff off, it is the hardest, most gut wrenching job you will ever possibly have to do. There will be some very, very sad senior management in CCP over the coming weeks and if you REALLY knew these things you wouldn't be so bloody thoughtless and insensitive.

Show some fn respect - to both the dismissed staff and to the people who have had to make the toughest call there is.


Ill take under consideration what you say as soon as you can answer for me why Hilmar Veigar Pétursson. Still has a job?

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baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#4 - 2011-10-19 21:11:04 UTC
The Apostle posts some terrible threads. This is not one of them.

mkint
#5 - 2011-10-19 21:12:34 UTC
Hilmar has spent the past 2+ years in a delusional state, and you expect us to feel sorry for -him-?

Yes, I feel absolutely awful for all those people. It's not a small number of people who have some awful challenges ahead of them. I've avoided commenting on this topic up to now, but to defend Hilmar?

btw: "visionary" is a garbage word. I've known some mentally ill homeless people with some great vision. A couple drops of acid or some magic mushrooms will confer some great vision. Hilmar wasn't the only founder of CCP, he's just the only one that's a big enough slimeball to be the salesman of EVE. Hilmar has over-sold, and good people, people not-hilmar, are paying the price.

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The Apostle
Doomheim
#6 - 2011-10-19 21:14:25 UTC
RougeOperator wrote:
The Apostle wrote:
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Ill take under consideration what you say as soon as you can answer for me why Hilmar Veigar Pétursson. Still has a job?

All CEO's are given a chance at resurrection. If he doesn't sort out CCP after having that chance then on his head be it.

But while some call for him to fall on his sword, it was people like the CEO AND most of his senior staff that STARTED Eve. It's their baby, their vision...

Regardless, now is NOT the time to be proclaiming you are the fixer-of-all-things-bad...

For seniors to have to 1) admit errors for being visionary and 2) yield the axe for that vision is so, so tough.

If you knew how hard it is, you'd be silent. Very silent.


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RougeOperator
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#7 - 2011-10-19 21:16:54 UTC
The Apostle wrote:
RougeOperator wrote:
The Apostle wrote:
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Ill take under consideration what you say as soon as you can answer for me why Hilmar Veigar Pétursson. Still has a job?

All CEO's are given a chance at resurrection. If he doesn't sort out CCP after having that chance then on his head be it.

But while some call for him to fall on his sword, it was people like the CEO AND most of his senior staff that STARTED Eve. It's their baby, their vision...

Regardless, now is NOT the time to be proclaiming you are the fixer-of-all-things-bad...

For seniors to have to 1) admit errors for being visionary and 2) yield the axe for that vision is so, so tough.

If you knew how hard it is, you'd be silent. Very silent.




This post strikes me as a delusional person.

Hilmar are you.....The Apostle?

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stoicfaux
#8 - 2011-10-19 21:17:01 UTC
People are being respectful. I think most folks have realized that 20% layoffs means 99% less forum moderation, yet no one has a created a "Mods are asleep, post ponies!" thread...

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baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#9 - 2011-10-19 21:18:07 UTC  |  Edited by: baltec1
stoicfaux wrote:
People are being respectful. I think most folks have realized that 20% layoffs means 99% less forum moderation, yet no one has a created a "Mods are asleep, post ponies!" thread...



We did but it didnt take off.
The Apostle
Doomheim
#10 - 2011-10-19 21:18:23 UTC
mkint wrote:
Hilmar has spent the past 2+ years in a delusional state, and you expect us to feel sorry for -him-?

Yes, I feel absolutely awful for all those people. It's not a small number of people who have some awful challenges ahead of them. I've avoided commenting on this topic up to now, but to defend Hilmar?

btw: "visionary" is a garbage word. I've known some mentally ill homeless people with some great vision. A couple drops of acid or some magic mushrooms will confer some great vision. Hilmar wasn't the only founder of CCP, he's just the only one that's a big enough slimeball to be the salesman of EVE. Hilmar has over-sold, and good people, people not-hilmar, are paying the price.

You put your credentials on the table and I'll listen further to your repeated snipes.

tbh, you may even be right, I don't know, I am not a senior executive with years of experience to draw such conclusions from.

Regardless, THIS is NOT the time...

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Jigoku Tomi
Time Sync
#11 - 2011-10-19 21:18:56 UTC
Still thinking about my response to last night's events.

It might be a WoT I'm afraid.

So TA you city based or in some shack someplace?
Eternum Praetorian
Doomheim
#12 - 2011-10-19 21:19:12 UTC
The Apostle wrote:


If you knew how hard it is, you'd be silent. Very silent.





Actually, some people don't seem to understand that others are born assholes.
So this statement is not necessarily true.

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Janos Saal
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#13 - 2011-10-19 21:19:16 UTC  |  Edited by: Janos Saal
The Apostle wrote:

Show some fn respect - [...] to the people who have had to make the toughest call there is.

how 'bout no

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Kengutsi Akira
Doomheim
#14 - 2011-10-19 21:25:18 UTC
not even trollin, this is eve
respect an eve dont exactly go hand in hand

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Skunk Gracklaw
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#15 - 2011-10-19 21:25:22 UTC
So CCP fired 20% of its workforce and then hired The Apostle as the Forums Morals Police?
Janos Saal
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#16 - 2011-10-19 21:25:40 UTC
baltec1 wrote:
The Apostle posts some terrible threads. This is not one of them.


yes it is

EVE is dead
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#17 - 2011-10-19 21:25:45 UTC  |  Edited by: Tippia
stoicfaux wrote:
People are being respectful. I think most folks have realized that 20 [percent] layoffs means 99 [percent] less forum moderation, yet no one has a created a "Mods are asleep, post ponies!" thread...
Oh really…?

Oh FFS! FORUMS!! Evil
Grey Stormshadow
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#18 - 2011-10-19 21:26:03 UTC  |  Edited by: Grey Stormshadow
RougeOperator wrote:

Ill take under consideration what you say as soon as you can answer for me why Hilmar Veigar Pétursson. Still has a job?

I can answer if you don't understand by yourself.

- He made mistakes
- He admitted that he made mistakes
- He is honestly sorry about the mistakes and learned plenty from them
- He committed to return EvE back to track and increase communication to prevent similiar stuff happening in future
- He is making necessary adjustments to recover from the mistakes and setting sail to new course

Today's actions are part of the difficult recovery process.

Even good CEO may make mistakes as long he has enough balls take the responsibility if crap hits the fan. Hilmar is doing just this.
Laying your own employees off is most difficult task you can give yourself. It isn't easy and you don't take it lightly. You do it only if it is inevitable to prevent even worse events. Every worker you fire you fire because of your own mistakes. That really makes you think what being humble means.

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Reverand Pastor
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#19 - 2011-10-19 21:27:28 UTC
What a terrible thread. If there were people like you we would all still think the world is flat and the earth is the center of the universe. This was a tragic error and for years we delt the brunt of it and now people who should not be held accountable are being thrown under the bus. I and others are pissed off and if you dont like that fact maybe this "sandox" game isnt right for you. On the respect note i havent read anything that has been the least bit disrespectful. Angry yes. Welcome to a FORUM
Slade Trillgon
Brutor Force Federated
#20 - 2011-10-19 21:31:32 UTC
I can assure you that I never said that management needs to be fired. There are always more creative solutions if you catch my drift.


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