Player Features and Ideas Discussion

@ Nessa,

the reason the SNI will be OP or close to it, iis because of the CM Buf, and the buff for callibration on Riggs.

CM will go up 30%, *6 launchers *25% Roff on lvl 5.

resistance nerf is compensated by a buff in tank,

callibration should be able to fit t2 rigors, though with 8 midslots you might consider to put in an other launcher rigg.

because of it's 6 launchers it will probably have less CPU problems than it's brother.

extra low could be used on nano's or DCU's, maybe a Drone damage unit.

All in all it will be a very useful ship.

The reasoning behind the typhoon bonuses is this:

The typhoon is intended to be flexible: it can be either a gunship or a missile ship. But however you fit it, then realistically it's only getting proper use from one bonus. So each of the two bonuses needs to be roughly equivalent to the normal dual-bonus.

Eg the Tempest gets +5% RoF and +5% damage. that gives it 1.25/0.75*6 = 10 equivalent turrets

The Navy Typhoon gets +7.5% RoF, and that gives it 6/0.625 = 9.6 equivalent turrets.

Its turret firepower isn't quite as good as the Tempest's, but it's fairly close.

Likewise, with a +7.5% damage bonus to missiles, it gets 6*1.375 = 8.25 equivalent launchers - slightly more than the Ravenkind, but without the secondary Raven bonuses that help in damage application, making it again a little inferior in practice, but still very competitive.

Those 8 midslots will eat plenty of CPU.

-> Can you give me a scenario where the CNR post June 5th won't be better than it is now?

- Mission performance vs golem? basically no reason to fly it over golem if you can sit into one.
- tank / DPS performance vs SNI? SNI currently has better tank, but pays for it with lower dps; now it will have better tank and equal dps (with somewhat lower dps application)

Basically I don't have problems with it, what I don't like is devs took 'easy way out' and basically equalized missile ships dps wise, in process turning CNR into golem without TP and tractor bonuses that eats double the ammo. As a result, I would rank new CNR as worse then both SNI and golem PvE performance wise [while currently I would give it tie for first place compared to golem with SNI behind them*]
*: SNI is still great ship, offering some unique abilities such as ability to field massive rr + dps on full passive wh fit (sure golem or CNR can do it, but personally I would prefer SNI for that role for multiple reasons)

so currently we have three distinct ships, each with pros and cons, after changes we will pretty much have clear cut progression: CNR < SNI < golem which is imo step back

Navy geddon

"Drones (bandwidth / bay): 125 / 375(+200)"

Why?

Don't forget Typhoon FI have 8.25 launchers AND 2 additional high slots (for example plus ~139 dps with T2 800 autocannons without gyros ).

and the phoon has 50m3 more bandwidth, a butt load more bay, and is faster...

all in all, the phoon is obviously the better ship of the two.

That's hardly OP. Again, it's a matter of damage application. I would say it's more inline instead of some poor cousin. It lacks the Golem's packing so much goodness. For it to be a true beast, it needs 7, then we can yeah, this is a dps animal.

As to the CNR being nerfed, there is no pleasing you lot. With CML boost, the application of damage plus an extra launcher will just hit ships harder instead of lobbing ineffective missiles damage. Add the rigs, you'll will murder NPCs faster, if that is your concern. Comparing the CNR/SNI to a Golem is like comparing two different roles. The Golem is designed for PVE and not much else, as a result it should be that good considering the amount of training that's being put into them. This also makes the Golem on par with the rest of the Marauders instead of just being "Meh, my Vargur kills everything, Golem is sucks" comment.

Ok on second quick thoughts:

Tracking on navpoc did not make me happy
Signature radius on ngeddon did not make me happy
The cap reduction on the navpoc did not make me happy
The cap changes on the ngeddon did not make me happy

With pure missile dps fits CNR IS the king, nothing can match it. Golem has same dps as Raven but applies it better while having monster tank. CNR is the obvious choice if you want the most highest missile dps on missions and know what you are doing. With CNR i have finished guristas extravaganza already while Golem would have just entered the final pocket.

I'd like to introduce you to a module i have been using long time, it's called Target Painter. I tend to fit 1-3 of them depending if i fly cruise or torp fitted ships. And voila~ my damage application problems are gone.