Player Features and Ideas Discussion

Thank GOD you didnt ruin the navy geddon. That's about all.

PS: LOL at the navy apoc changes :P lost cap, cap use AND tank? on a scale of 1-Lots, how mad is RnK right about now?

You guess correctly.

CCP Rise,

what about the sentry fixes?

I'd also be interested in your views on where to use a NMega/Mega instead of the Hyperion or Talos, or any other battleship.

It will still be one of, if not the most widely used fleet navy bs post patch.

What you've said is true, but not related to the ship. Instead, this is related to the CM Buff. The current slot-layout and bonus's would be better in a lot of cases (like shooting other BS's, or Caps/ structures). While the new slot-layout only favours PvP in the absence of other TP's and webs.

You can't call it a CNR buff just because the weapon gets buffed. Infact, the CNR gets a nerf which isn't even remotely compensated by the buff it gets. While the new CNR is a bit better at solo PvP'ing, this isn't remotely helpful, as noone will use them at PvP, just because the standard-raven will perform equally, especially if grouped with fleet support.

That's the whole point of my rage, the CNR gets a questionable "buff", while it's beeing nerf for the majority of cases. I agree that it still seems balanced (!), given that it will project almost 1k dps at long distances, but:

is the Faction price tag worth that? For PvE, the Golem and the freakin SNI will perform better (golem has double dmg-application bonus and an active Tank bonus, while the SNI provides more significantly more tank than the CNR, with almost equal damage).

The only reason to use the CNR is it's range, so it's either Torps or GTFO, as it's likely that noone will need the speed-bonus for CM's. Therefore, the CNR will be weaker than almost every single alternative in the majority of the cases.

That's why this change is not well thought out, and that's why I'm raging.

The new CNR will have exact same dps and damage application as T1 Typhoon.
And in often same effective dps as SNI and T1 Raven.

Ofc +explosion velocity will be useful (in some situations), but I prefer old +RoF bonus on CNR.

"Caldari Battleship Skill Bonuses:
+5% bonus to Torpedo and Cruise Missile explosion radius"

CNR is getting a precision bonus (better).

Current CNR with All level 5 no modules: EHP 50294
New CNR with All level 5, a shield extender in the new med: EHP 53527

On Golem vs CNR....are you really comparing a specialized t2 ship for PvE to a faction ship for general use?
On SNI vs CNR the problem lies at the monster which is called SNI. It IS too good and CCP knows that too.

No, you don't understand how missiles work. Even if the explosion velocity is lower than the speed of the ship, the size of its sig can still allow missiles to apply full damage, because the two coefficients are linked. For instance, an MWDing target will be moving faster, but it will also have a larger signature, meaning it will take just as much damage as if it were moving without MWD. On the other hand, an ABing target will be moving slower than the MWDing one, but will still have a small sig, thereby mitigating more damage.

Or more precisely, the modifier of the formula is MIN(1, S/R, (vE/v * S/R), where:

S = signature radius of the target
R = explosion radius
vE = explosion velocity
v = target velocity

As you can see, the explosion velocity relative to target velocity is ALWAYS modified by the signature radius relative to explosion radius and the value of the formula can never be greater than 1 (meaning the missile can never deal more than full damage). Note how the opposite is not true - a low sig target standing still will still mitigate the damage just with its sig.

Gee, and I just bought a Kronos for the first time....!