Player Features and Ideas Discussion

Perhaps for guns you are right. But with Missiles I always hit with full damage. And if you cut this damage by 25% (rate of fire bonus) I will lose 25%.

Haha, you absolutely do NOT always hit for full damage, in point of fact, with missiles, unless the target is DEAD STOPPED you rarely will EVER hit for full damage, thats one of the reasons why the added bonus is good.

Why do you want to over-complicate the mechanic with a magical knowledge of "How Missile Damage Is Applied"?
Now I shoot with "calculated" 8.75 Launchers. After this I can fit 8 launchers. Or please try to explain. Give an example for a Cruise Missile CNR which will lead to an enlightenment for me.

Its not magical, its your targets signature and speed working against the explosion velocity and radius of your missiles. If the CNR is so special to you how do you not know this? Like, why do you think you put the rigs on it that you put on it? Right, i should amend that, I'm assuming you use the right rigs.

So basically, if your target moves, at all, its mitigating SOME missile damage. The faster it goes, the more it mitigates as it gets out of the explosion area of said missile. Pre Nano nerf it used to be possible to nearly mitigate all of that damage simply by flying like a bat out of hell around 10km/s, however that changed and now things take some damage. Target painters effect half of the equation by inflating the targets signature but basically this increase, weather you like it or not, will result in 2 things: Your missiles will reach the target faster, and they will do more damage as it will be unable to escape the missiles explosion area by using its speed.

I can't really explain it any better, theres a new EFT thats already been mocked up with these stats, you should hunt that down and see the difference in the projected DPS graphs against various targets, I think maybe that might help lessen some of the angst you feel right now

Yeah.. OK. Please do not misunderstand me. But I use CCC rigs and with my outskilled char with All Level 5 I do not recognize the speed of my enemy MISSION-NPC anymore. Perhaps the influence of Speed is something which will work for enemy frigates. But with my current skillset I even shoot frigates with my Cruise Missiles. Sure not the elite ones. But therefore I have drones.
Cruiser size is absolute NO problem for me (in missions). If they use a AB or MWD.. ist equal. Two or three salves (depending on NPC type) and they are gone.
I just recognized that I will miss the 25% rate of fire Bonus. I kill Frigates with CM. I have no Problem with explo Velo. Absolute null Problems. But I have a Problem with NO Rate Of Fire Bonus. Thats all. With my skillset; a ROF has much more influence than the laughable explo Velo or Speed of my NPC's. I have done missions nearly more than 5 years. And I know what I am talking about.

By the way.. It is possible to kill a real player (mission thief) in his frigate. Sure thats not the Standard Situation for PvP, but I can kill real Player frigates with CM. I did it two times.

Like I said, you're not hitting them for full damage, you're hitting them hard, I'm not denying that, but its still not full damage.

You will in fact hit them HARDER now, and your missiles will go farther faster than before, somewhere in the neighborhood of 10,000 m/s meaning that even targets at range will die faster.

You'll still volley BC's and BS like you're used to, but you'll also kill smaller craft faster.

You wont burn more ammo because the 1 extra launcher will be mitigated by a slightly lower RoF, so ammo usage will be about the same, if not less as you use less on smaller targets.

Go find the EFT mock up with these numbers, install it, and judge for yourself, stop trying to do math in your head when you dont have all the math in your head to do.

But I'm not hitting them for full dmg... sure



Yup, I will kill them in one volley because of the 25% more volley damage, and with one more TP and one more Rigor, the bonus just won't help with killing them faster, as it doesn't matter if I hit them for 110% of their HP or for 115% because of the ships-bonus. And no, I don't have any other use for the rig-slots or the additional med. Yes, I would have applied more dmg if the target had more HP (!), not denying that, but the fact that it doesn't makes your argument invalid.



Go fly the ship first, thank you.

Grath is right you know.

Anyone who has flown the apoc in fleets knows that the tracking bonus is basically godsend.

Wrong. Those 8 effective launchers will each be doing 30% more DPS because of the cruise missile changes, meaning the ship will do 11.4% more DPS to structures on June 5th than it does now.

Kind of sad my torp CNR got murdered; no longer any good as a herocat capital killer.

Still, I can switch right over to the navy phoon so it's not a huge deal to me.