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[news] SEBIESTOR TRIBE TO MONITOR BROTEAU'S TRIAL

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Elsebeth Rhiannon
Gradient
Electus Matari
#1 - 2013-05-12 17:01:20 UTC  |  Edited by: Elsebeth Rhiannon
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Eram – The Sebiestor Tribe has announced that it plans to send two tribal delegates to monitor the trial of accused mass-shooter Gerne Broteau. Broteau's attack left 59 dead, including Sebiestor Tribal Chief Karin Midular.

In a statement, the Sebiestor Tribe announced, “Though the Federation has so-far refused to hand the murderer of our Tribal Chief over to us, we will not allow justice to go unserved. The Tribe will send two of our own delegates to observe the trial and ensure that it proceeds appropriately. The killer of our Ray of Matar shall not be allowed the comfort of a trial where he does not have to face those he so grievously wounded.”

The Caille District Court has announced that it has approved the Tribe's request and will allow the two delegates to sit in on all hearings. One delegate will be assigned to the prosecution, while another will be assigned to the defense. The court has also stated that both will be in strictly observatory roles and will not be allowed to attempt to influence anyone involved in the case.

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Now we are at least talking. Federation court still misses the point but at least there is a contact that could lead to a mutually acceptable solution. Too bad it took the idiocy in Colelie to get this far.
Innocent Mind
Alexylva Paradox
#2 - 2013-05-12 17:13:12 UTC
I cant help but think this is happening in Spite of Colelie, not because of it.
Xindi Kraid
Itsukame-Zainou Hyperspatial Inquiries Ltd.
Arataka Research Consortium
#3 - 2013-05-12 17:16:12 UTC  |  Edited by: Xindi Kraid
Yes, because the Sebiestor Tribe wouldn't have been able to send people to observe the trial without the Republic having first invaded the Federation Right?
Elsebeth Rhiannon
Gradient
Electus Matari
#4 - 2013-05-12 17:28:37 UTC  |  Edited by: Elsebeth Rhiannon
Well, possibly, you are both correct. Still, if these joint efforts for justice would have happened immediately, instead of the foolish statement by Federation Supreme Court about how they do not trust Republic courts to be fair, maybe no one would have felt the need to go to Colelie in the first place.
Derek Quaid
Doomheim
#5 - 2013-05-12 17:36:02 UTC
Perhaps my literacy skills aren't what they should be, but all I read was:

"We will be sending people to ensure we get the verdict and sentence we expect. If all should not go according to our political demands, there will be another Colelie."

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Alexis Valentyne
Anacorn Contracts Agency
#6 - 2013-05-12 17:39:09 UTC
I am sure that if Broteau was handed over to the Republic in the heat of the moment he would have been barbarically executed. As I have said, with such a sensitive investigation, it takes time to dot the Is and cross the Ts. The District Court has been very fair in this instance to go along with the Tribe's request, so here's hoping for a smooth settlement going forward.

I seem to smell the stench of appeasement in the air.

Draqone an'Alreigh
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#7 - 2013-05-12 17:43:59 UTC
Anyone else thinking the Mr Broteau might have a very unfortunate accident very soon around those two? Pirate

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Elsebeth Rhiannon
Gradient
Electus Matari
#8 - 2013-05-12 17:58:40 UTC  |  Edited by: Elsebeth Rhiannon
Draqone an'Alreigh wrote:
Anyone else thinking the Mr Broteau might have a very unfortunate accident very soon around those two? Pirate

Those two are there to observe the process of the court, Captain an'Arleigh. This is a matter of justice, not of vengeance. Please be respectful of that.

Time for a feud comes only if the Gallentean refuse justice or co-operation to the Sebiestor.

Elsebeth Rhiannon
Sebiesto Tribe
Seriphyn Inhonores
Elusenian Cooperative
#9 - 2013-05-12 18:02:02 UTC
By their wording, the Sebiestor Tribe still treats this as a Minmatar and only Minmatar crime.
Alexis Valentyne
Anacorn Contracts Agency
#10 - 2013-05-12 18:03:47 UTC
Elsebeth Rhiannon wrote:


Time for a feud comes only if the Gallentean refuse justice or co-operation to the Sebiestor.


I have every faith that our courts will have Broteau feel the full force of justice, Ms. Rhiannon. I simply question whether that will be enough to satisfy the appetites of your still emotionally raw counterparts.

I seem to smell the stench of appeasement in the air.

Gabriel Darkefyre
Gradient
Electus Matari
#11 - 2013-05-12 18:05:15 UTC
Draqone an'Alreigh wrote:
Anyone else thinking the Mr Broteau might have a very unfortunate accident very soon around those two? Pirate


One would think you doubt the ability of the Federal Authorities to maintain Security at such a High Profile Event.
Kytre Aurgnet
Better Hide R Die EVE
#12 - 2013-05-12 18:31:23 UTC
Derek Quaid wrote:
Perhaps my literacy skills aren't what they should be, but all I read was:

"We will be sending people to ensure we get the verdict and sentence we expect. If all should not go according to our political demands, there will be another Colelie."

Unfortunately, I have a bad feeling this will be the case as well.

I really hope that the delegates are there to observe that the trial goes according to the law...but I thanks to recent events I'm very skeptical. It makes me sad
Ava Starfire
Khushakor Clan
#13 - 2013-05-12 18:47:42 UTC
Well, this is welcome news. Hopefully the delegates keep us posted with developments.

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Caellach Marellus
Stormcrows
#14 - 2013-05-12 18:58:41 UTC
Elsebeth Rhiannon wrote:
Draqone an'Alreigh wrote:
Anyone else thinking the Mr Broteau might have a very unfortunate accident very soon around those two? Pirate

Those two are there to observe the process of the court, Captain an'Arleigh. This is a matter of justice, not of vengeance. Please be respectful of that.

Time for a feud comes only if the Gallentean refuse justice or co-operation to the Sebiestor.

Elsebeth Rhiannon
Sebiesto Tribe


The irony, you criticise the Federation for criticising the Republic judicial system then make threats should the Federal judicial system not live up to your personal expectations?


Seriously the hypocrisy is rife with you these days Elsebeth.

When your gut instincts tell you something is wrong, trust them. When your heart tells you something is right, ignore it, check with your brain first. Accept nothing, challenge everything.

Katrina Oniseki
Oniseki-Raata Internal Watch
Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive
#15 - 2013-05-12 19:20:45 UTC  |  Edited by: Katrina Oniseki
Elsebeth Rhiannon wrote:

Time for a feud comes only if the Gallentean refuse justice or co-operation to the Sebiestor.


The time for a feud is already now. Colelie made sure of that.

It is my understanding that the Federal judicial system's purpose is to first determine whether or not an accused is guilty. Innocent until proven guilty. That means Mr Broteau is not proven guilty yet. That the Federation has decided to put him on trial does not necessarily mean he is the one who committed the crime, hence the whole reason for the trial in the first place. There is still the chance, however likely or not, that this is not the mass murderer.

The wording of many of your fellow Sebiestor and Minmatar suggests that they already consider the accused guilty and seek a pound of flesh. This is likely part of why the Federation outright refused his extradition. Perhaps the Sebiestor and Republic should cease the saber rattling and cyno jumping. Open your ears, not your mouths.

I strongly suggest that the Sebiestor tribe pay close attention to this trial not just for the outcome... but for how it is undertaken. A guilty or innocent verdict means nothing if the trial itself is just smoke and mirrors. This isn't to say I believe it would be. I simply state that there is quite obviously more going on behind the scenes than we understand. I have a feeling the next few weeks will be quite interesting on this topic.

Katrina Oniseki

James Syagrius
Luminaire Sovereign Solutions
#16 - 2013-05-12 20:56:04 UTC
Elsebeth Rhiannon wrote:

Too bad it took the idiocy in Colelie to get this far.

Idiocy? Whose? It was an act of war.
Fredfredbug4
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#17 - 2013-05-12 21:02:01 UTC  |  Edited by: Fredfredbug4
When dealing with a child, you do not give them what they want after they throw a temper tantrum about it. Such an action would only lead to more temper tantrums and the inability to deal with things not going their way when they get older.

So not only did the Republic launch a failed invasion, they are still getting part of what they wanted out of it.

The fact that we are letting Sebeistor diplomats merely observe the trial is already being very generous about this. Which only prove that the Federation is working a lot harder to keep this "alliance" going, despite the Republic needing it significantly more.

On the otherhand, maybe this will be the first step in restoring relations and trust between our nations. As long as both of us do our part to restore things I think we can go back to the way things were before this mess, of course that does mean BOTH of us have to work at it.

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James Syagrius
Luminaire Sovereign Solutions
#18 - 2013-05-12 21:02:45 UTC
Elsebeth Rhiannon wrote:

Time for a feud comes only if the Gallentean refuse justice or co-operation to the Sebiestor.

Elsebeth Rhiannon
Sebiesto Tribe

“Refuse justice.” Let me paraphrase.

Unless you do what we want, when we want, how we want, we will strike at you again.

The Caille District Court in their desire to appease have done a great disservice to those who have already fallen victim to Tribal arrogance and cultural bigotry.
Nerva Auris
Doomheim
#19 - 2013-05-12 21:15:13 UTC
One hopes the Federation will take care to ensure that the Delegates are unarmed, lest they decide to start executing officers of the court for failing to pursue the case vigorously enough to satisfy 'Tribal Justice'.
Akrasjel Lanate
Immemorial Coalescence Administration
Immemorial Coalescence
#20 - 2013-05-12 21:45:49 UTC
This would happen no matter if the Colelie happend or not.

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