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Could there be a high-sec Ice war...?
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YuuKnow
The Scope
#21 - 2013-05-12 16:52:49 UTC
Vimsy Vortis wrote:
Even if miners were in player corporations they still wouldn't fight each other. They net result they'd face would be them bearing the full brunt of the ally system which has no counter and allows the defender to bring in anyone they like to help them at no cost and with only 4 hours of warning.

There's a reason that the only people on highsec that declare wars these days are dedicated highsec PVP corps.


How beautifully naive.

What makes you think that a miner corp would be the corp involved? Extortion and resource control are the arena's of the power-hungry.

yk
YuuKnow
The Scope
#22 - 2013-05-12 16:56:23 UTC  |  Edited by: YuuKnow
Danni stark wrote:

besides, it's cheaper to fold player corps every 24hrs than it would be to mine ore in an npc corp. so all your bad idea does is add tedium to the game.


Yes.Roll

Doesn't add tedium to the corps doing the shooting. Smile
Danni stark
#23 - 2013-05-12 16:57:51 UTC
YuuKnow wrote:
Doesn't add tedium to the corps doing the shooting. Smile


shooting what? every time they war dec a corp, the corp vanishes.
i'm sure they'll have loads of fun shooting at nothing while the miners carry on mining.

Ice Mining Skill Plan.
Steve Ronuken
Fuzzwork Enterprises
Vote Steve Ronuken for CSM
#24 - 2013-05-12 16:58:36 UTC
I'll just leave this here.

http://www.fuzzwork.co.uk/2013/05/12/ice-interdiction-mark-2/

Note, at the bottom I do mention High-sec as being a bit different.

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Aryth
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#25 - 2013-05-12 17:00:38 UTC
Danni stark wrote:


too expensive to gank


This is not remotely true.

Leader of the Goonswarm Economic Warfare Cabal.

Creator of Burn Jita

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YuuKnow
The Scope
#26 - 2013-05-12 17:02:42 UTC  |  Edited by: YuuKnow
Danni stark wrote:
YuuKnow wrote:
Doesn't add tedium to the corps doing the shooting. Smile


shooting what? every time they war dec a corp, the corp vanishes.
i'm sure they'll have loads of fun shooting at nothing while the miners carry on mining.


Then it becomes a battle of wills.

One man corps wouldn't require war decs at all. Just plain old-fashion watch list and dessy ganks on the solo corps. Multi-toon solo corps will need to wait 24 hours to absolve corp-roles for their alts... and the test is to their dedication to the ice mining to keep having to do this over and over. Each disbanding a win for the deccer. Multi-player corps organized enough to do the 'renaming' constantly this would loose most of their players as they become bored of their CEO continuously disbanding...

I would love to see all the meta-gaming maneuvering actually. Part of what makes Eve interesting.

yk
Danni stark
#27 - 2013-05-12 17:05:22 UTC
Aryth wrote:
Danni stark wrote:


too expensive to gank


This is not remotely true.


last i checked in a 0.5 system concord took ~20 seconds, so you'd need 4k dps per 80k skiff.
that's either going to cost you a lot of man power, or a lot of isk.

i'm sure you as goon's financial wizard could find some way of doing this cheaper than most people, but i doubt it'd be worth the hassle at the end of the day *shrug*

Ice Mining Skill Plan.
Danni stark
#28 - 2013-05-12 17:07:06 UTC
YuuKnow wrote:
Danni stark wrote:
YuuKnow wrote:
Doesn't add tedium to the corps doing the shooting. Smile


shooting what? every time they war dec a corp, the corp vanishes.
i'm sure they'll have loads of fun shooting at nothing while the miners carry on mining.


Then it becomes a battle of wills.

One man corps wouldn't require war decs at all. Just plain old-fashion watch list and dessy ganks on the solo corps. Multi-toon solo corps will need to wait 24 hours to absolve corp-roles for their alts... and the test is to their dedication to the ice mining to keep having to do this over and over. Each disbanding a win for the deccer. Multi-player corps organized enough to do the 'renaming' constantly this would loose most of their players as they become bored of their CEO continuously disbanding...

I would love to see all the meta-gaming maneuvering actually. Part of what makes Eve interesting.

yk


each disbanding is a win for the deccer? not really since they haven't stopped any one mining any ice.

Ice Mining Skill Plan.
YuuKnow
The Scope
#29 - 2013-05-12 17:12:22 UTC
Danni stark wrote:
YuuKnow wrote:
Danni stark wrote:
YuuKnow wrote:
Doesn't add tedium to the corps doing the shooting. Smile


shooting what? every time they war dec a corp, the corp vanishes.
i'm sure they'll have loads of fun shooting at nothing while the miners carry on mining.


Then it becomes a battle of wills.

One man corps wouldn't require war decs at all. Just plain old-fashion watch list and dessy ganks on the solo corps. Multi-toon solo corps will need to wait 24 hours to absolve corp-roles for their alts... and the test is to their dedication to the ice mining to keep having to do this over and over. Each disbanding a win for the deccer. Multi-player corps organized enough to do the 'renaming' constantly this would loose most of their players as they become bored of their CEO continuously disbanding...

I would love to see all the meta-gaming maneuvering actually. Part of what makes Eve interesting.

yk


each disbanding is a win for the deccer? not really since they haven't stopped any one mining any ice.


For those corps small enough to disband so quickly, just old-fashion watchlist and ganking for them then.

yk
Danni stark
#30 - 2013-05-12 17:16:53 UTC  |  Edited by: Danni stark
YuuKnow wrote:
For those corps small enough to disband so quickly, just old-fashion watchlist and ganking for them then.

yk


not sure if you're arguing for the sake of it, or if you just don't realise that it's not going to happen no matter how much you want it to.

edit: failing at quotes.

Ice Mining Skill Plan.
Aryth
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#31 - 2013-05-12 17:26:49 UTC
Danni stark wrote:
Aryth wrote:
Danni stark wrote:


too expensive to gank


This is not remotely true.


that's either going to cost you a lot of man power, or a lot of isk.

i'm sure you as goon's financial wizard could find some way of doing this cheaper than most people, but i doubt it'd be worth the hassle at the end of the day *shrug*


Also neither of these is true. As has been demonstrated time and time again on freighters. It isn't a hassle if you are moving the entire economy of EVE either.

Leader of the Goonswarm Economic Warfare Cabal.

Creator of Burn Jita

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Danni stark
#32 - 2013-05-12 17:32:25 UTC
Aryth wrote:
Danni stark wrote:
Aryth wrote:
Danni stark wrote:


too expensive to gank


This is not remotely true.


that's either going to cost you a lot of man power, or a lot of isk.

i'm sure you as goon's financial wizard could find some way of doing this cheaper than most people, but i doubt it'd be worth the hassle at the end of the day *shrug*


Also neither of these is true. As has been demonstrated time and time again on freighters. It isn't a hassle if you are moving the entire economy of EVE either.


*shrug* i hope you're right, i'll make a nice profit off it.

Ice Mining Skill Plan.
YuuKnow
The Scope
#33 - 2013-05-12 17:40:14 UTC
Danni stark wrote:
Aryth wrote:
Danni stark wrote:
Aryth wrote:
Danni stark wrote:


too expensive to gank


This is not remotely true.


that's either going to cost you a lot of man power, or a lot of isk.

i'm sure you as goon's financial wizard could find some way of doing this cheaper than most people, but i doubt it'd be worth the hassle at the end of the day *shrug*


Also neither of these is true. As has been demonstrated time and time again on freighters. It isn't a hassle if you are moving the entire economy of EVE either.


*shrug* i hope you're right, i'll make a nice profit off it.


Unless of course your the one loosing shipsTwisted
Danni stark
#34 - 2013-05-12 17:46:12 UTC
YuuKnow wrote:
Unless of course your the one loosing shipsTwisted


it's a distinct possibility that i will, but i'm long overdue to lose a mining ship anyway i guess.

then again, when a retriever is so cheap, no fucks will be given if i do.

Ice Mining Skill Plan.
Noddy Comet
Lysdexic Agnostics - Thier is no Dog
#35 - 2013-05-12 18:12:42 UTC  |  Edited by: Noddy Comet
The Guild and the entire universe depends on ice. He who can destroy a thing, controls a thing.

When the ice flow stops, all eyes will turn to Hi-Sec. The Baron and the Emperor himself will be forced to deal with us.

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Lady Areola Fappington
#36 - 2013-05-12 18:17:12 UTC
I don't see a highsec ice cartel being too difficult, for people who are willing to devote the time to it. Gank who you can. Bump those you can't gank. Short-cycle and fast mine the ones you can't bump or gank.

It'd take a decent number of folks to nail down one isotope, but I don't see it as being impossible.

7.2 CAN I AVOID PVP COMPLETELY? No; there are no systems or locations in New Eden where PvP may be completely avoided. --Eve New Player Guide
baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#37 - 2013-05-12 18:27:24 UTC
Danni stark wrote:
Aryth wrote:
Danni stark wrote:


too expensive to gank


This is not remotely true.


last i checked in a 0.5 system concord took ~20 seconds, so you'd need 4k dps per 80k skiff.
that's either going to cost you a lot of man power, or a lot of isk.

i'm sure you as goon's financial wizard could find some way of doing this cheaper than most people, but i doubt it'd be worth the hassle at the end of the day *shrug*


Yes, it will not be viable to gank macks this summer. Please fit t2 ice harvesters on all of your ships.
YuuKnow
The Scope
#38 - 2013-05-12 18:27:54 UTC
Aryth wrote:
Also neither of these is true. As has been demonstrated time and time again on freighters. It isn't a hassle if you are moving the entire economy of EVE either.


btw, can we count on a nice ice-interdiction by the Goons after the patch? Smile
Danni stark
#39 - 2013-05-12 18:30:44 UTC
baltec1 wrote:
Yes, it will not be viable to gank macks this summer. Please fit t2 ice harvesters on all of your ships.
i was talking about skiffs...

YuuKnow wrote:
Aryth wrote:
Also neither of these is true. As has been demonstrated time and time again on freighters. It isn't a hassle if you are moving the entire economy of EVE either.


btw, can we count on a nice ice-interdiction by the Goons after the patch? Smile
i think that's already a forgone conclusion.

Ice Mining Skill Plan.
Krixtal Icefluxor
INLAND EMPIRE Galactic
#40 - 2013-05-12 19:11:17 UTC
YuuKnow wrote:
Danni stark wrote:
YuuKnow wrote:
No fun.Sad

That's why we need to petition CCP to make ice mining a player-corp only mechanic.

yk


i agree, it's no fun being able to do an underpaid activity without it costing you even more money in replacing ships because you've really got no defence in a mining ship other than don't mine or drop to an npc corp.


NPC corps can stick to roids and missioning. Leave the ice to the real corps.

yk


So much for The Sandbox.

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