Intergalactic Summit

but wait a minute, I thought the Federation were so great, righteous and without fault ?

If you yourselves cannot pass the standards that you so dearly hold to your heart , then why do you expect others to pass the same exam for which yourselves failed!

But yet sorry for pointing out your flaws, It is my fault.
Sorry for being a tribal and sorry for being a barbarian, childish and stupid!

I apologize for I do not know better.

Please, take no offense for having to point the mirror right back at you.

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Have a nice day!

Which does lend some credibility to the "cloned soldier" theory - because for a DUST trooper, death is perfectly viable method of escape from captivity.

And if he is indeed a DUST trooper then his actions coincide perfectly with the sort of mental instability commonly reported in first generation cloned troopers. The same one's that ended fleeing to the Empire for asylum and have been receiving treatment here ever since then.

And if he is an untreated first-generation DUST trooper who flew off the handle then it quite likely that his clone(s) are currently under wraps inside the Empire.

And if that is true then if the Federation executes him then he's going to find himself waking up again in our hands. And don't think for one moment that would constitute any kind of "escape" - quite the contrary: Midular was a peacemaker, and we respect that. Broteau is a first class terrorist, and we Amarrians are quite touchy when it comes to terrorists. A sentence of lifetime enslavement takes on a whole new meaning when one is immortal. He may find himself worked to death in a uranium mine ten thousand times over the next ten thousand years should all of the above turn out to be true.

I've noticed that capsuleers tend to have rather lofty opinions of themselves and often suffer delusions of invincibility in the face of governments. I invite such delusional pilots to go out and take a pot-shot at the first CONCORD vessel they see and then come back and tell us again just how invincible they are.

Capsuleer clones are kept in medical facilities on stations. Stations that have owners, and unless they are in nullsec then those station owners are not capsuleers. They're local governments. If those government ever decide that a capsuleer really needs to be taken down then they can simply switch off that clone. Then the pilot has to flee to somewhere that will offer them a new clone contract before the get killed again.

All of this assumes mobility, something capsuleers take for granted. Hop into your pod, plug the pod into a ship and off you go, putting lightyears of distance between yourself and all those you've wronged who thirst for your blood. Yes, it is easy to see how this can lead to such foolish delusions of being untouchable.

But a DUST trooper? They can't just hop into their own little private spaceships and go flying off to greener pastures. Gravity is the chain that shackles them to a location if nothing else. If no one is willing or able to fly them off a planet then they're pretty much stuck there. And their cloning facilities are just as planet bound as they are. They're not going anywhere without outside help.

And all this assumes that the arresting government lacks the competence to due the most obvious, standard procedure when apprehending an "immortal" criminal: First, seize control of their clones. Then terminate their current body. When the clone awakens it awakens already in custody, prison, or worse. It's simply a matter of tracking down where their clones are and who holds the medical contracts. If that's anywhere this side of nullsec then they can be shut down, boxed in and eventually captured - it's only a matter of time & determination.

And even if they make it out to nullsec then they're just trading one master for another - having to suck up to whatever local warlord owns & controls the outposts and stations with cloning facilities. In the end any capsuleer who doesn't own their own personal Rorqual hidden out in some never searched corner of nowhere is at the mercy of whoever own and/or operates whatever cloning facility that they're depending on... and DUST troopers don't even have that option.

In summary: "Immortal" doesn't mean invincible.

I'm just going to say, there's an awful lot of speculation going around both on the way that Clone Soldiers work and whether Gerne Broteau is a clone soldier. I won't touch on the first topic since that will take too long, but I will remind everyone of two things.

First, it's speculation and rumours. Nothing has been said by any official parties confirming that he is a clone soldier. Second, if he was, why didn't he just extract himself once he was surrounded by police with a bullet to the head? He would wake up in a CRU somewhere else in the cluster and quietly slip away before the local authorities knew so much as his name.

Publicly send him to a max prison in a dismissive 'high and mighty' way.

Secretly transfer him to the Sebiestors after the fact.

Oh darn did I say that over open comms? Oh bad Anslo, bad.

Different cultures. That sense of duty is indoctrinated into Caldari from a very young age, and the reason that setup works for us is because ritual suicide is very much a part of our historical traditions. It's considered an honourable and strong thing to do, rather than a weak one.

You have to bear in mind, the facility I described is effectively a lifetime sentence of solitary confinement. The only human contact available is the attendant in the tea room and their bodyguard, neither of whom speak except after the tea has been imbibed. It would be deemed "cruel and unusual punishment" under the terms of the Federal Human Rights Act. Remember, the Federation's official policy regarding the Tea Maker Ceremony is to condemn it.

The Federation need to do things their way, and in this case to keep the Sebiestor Tribe involved, seeing as they're entangled in it. I wouldn't recommend that either should do things the Caldari way - it works for us, that's all.

What about for Heth for starting that mess...

Not the topic for that, but I'll humor you.

It was our planet to take back. Gallente never had any business there, and as much as I don't like Heth, he didn't shoot down a capital ship over a populated planet.

Federation 'saved' millions by KILLING them, first by engaging ground forces on the planet, luring CN Shiigeru into low orbit, and then, when it was in the most vulnerable to planet position, they attacked it and destroyed, raining remaints of burning gigantic ship on inhabited planet.

Federation has commited atrocity by the scale even greater than glassing a city on a planet, like Serpentis, or like bombing planet, like they did a couple of hundred years ago.

CN Shiigeru didn't fire any doomsday weapons on the planet, so please stop talking nonsense. The ship has moved to position to provide support for ground forces, THAT WERE DISPATCHED THERE BY FEDERATION. It is federal scum who destroyed this ship above the planed that caused human lives. Facts are against Federation.

And we must make sure that the Federation should pay for their crimes against humanity!

We should leave no place in the space, where they could hide from justice!

Well, sadly, that it is deemed as cruel and unusual punishment might actually make it a good replacement for the death penalty in the eyes of some, as it will be reserved for the worst crimes. We may also have different conditions for the convicted, which may include human contact. And I see no reason why we would go for something like the Tea Maker Ceromony.

This may not be the Gallente way yet, but if one of them sees merit in this tradition, others could follow. Traditions have to start somewhere, and what works for some may work for others.