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The only thing that stops me playing - Jump clone timers.

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March rabbit
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#161 - 2013-05-14 14:31:37 UTC
Six Six Six wrote:

Do you think it's fair that PvPers should suffer skill training time loses just because they want to PvP when PvP is a core part of EVE?

i PvP with implants (2x+4s for skill i train at the moment). And i lose hardly more than 1-2 pods in a month.

WHAT DO I DO WRONG? Shocked

So the answer to your question: no one suffers unless they chose to.

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Six Six Six
Doomheim
#162 - 2013-05-14 14:48:36 UTC  |  Edited by: Six Six Six
March rabbit wrote:
Six Six Six wrote:

Do you think it's fair that PvPers should suffer skill training time loses just because they want to PvP when PvP is a core part of EVE?

i PvP with implants (2x+4s for skill i train at the moment). And i lose hardly more than 1-2 pods in a month.

WHAT DO I DO WRONG? Shocked

So the answer to your question: no one suffers unless they chose to.



And someone in high-sec doing PvE can wear a full set of +5s without even worrying about.

Also depends on how and what type of PvP you're involved in.

I've known plenty of people moan about the difference in the past, or having to JC back to a training clone.

Point is if there were no learning implants there would be no difference in training times between PvPers and PvEers. As well as encouraging more people to get involved with PvP as the losses would not be so great.

As you are just using 2 implants which is common practice in PvP that only really is efficient if you're training skills that have long training times or a group of skills that require the same attributes, which doesn't help newer PvPers.

So start wearing +5s in PvP and I might be impressed.
March rabbit
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#163 - 2013-05-14 15:59:58 UTC
Six Six Six wrote:
And someone in high-sec doing PvE can wear a full set of +5s without even worrying about.

and at some point they get podded.... Shocked
but this is offtop

Six Six Six wrote:
Point is if there were no learning implants there would be no difference in training times between PvPers and PvEers. As well as encouraging more people to get involved with PvP as the losses would not be so great.

well, it could help till people collect so much SP so they will have expensive medical clones.

oops, some people already complain about it Shocked

Six Six Six wrote:
As you are just using 2 implants which is common practice in PvP that only really is efficient if you're training skills that have long training times or a group of skills that require the same attributes, which doesn't help newer PvPers.

i played my few first months without implants (couldn't afford them anyway). And i'm still here. Any other questions?
(something tells me that "newer PvPers" here used accordingly to Malcanis law)

Six Six Six wrote:
So start wearing +5s in PvP and I might be impressed.

As people mentioned already: using +5s instead of +4s you save yourself 5 or about days in a year. You lose more in case of bad remap which you have like 50% of time. So i'm sorry. Show me any REAL reasons (and i mean REAL. Please no "MY SP/HOUR!!!") to use +5s instead of +4 (or even +3s) then we can discuss how learning implants hurt the game.

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Brujo Loco
Brujeria Teologica
#164 - 2013-05-14 16:03:50 UTC
hellcane wrote:
The op is obsessing over learning implants and skill per hour instead of having fun. That is the problem.

Would have expected someone a couple of years old to be past the OOOOOO SP!!!!! stage


I never grew out of it, its fun!!!! It´s like watching a sand clock slowly filling in the bottom ... relaxing ...

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BoBoZoBo
MGroup9
#165 - 2013-05-14 16:06:46 UTC  |  Edited by: BoBoZoBo
I WISH I had a 9-5 job. 8-8 is more like it, plus wife, plus other woman, plus kids.

Get up earlier.

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March rabbit
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#166 - 2013-05-14 16:30:48 UTC
Brujo Loco wrote:
hellcane wrote:
The op is obsessing over learning implants and skill per hour instead of having fun. That is the problem.

Would have expected someone a couple of years old to be past the OOOOOO SP!!!!! stage


I never grew out of it, its fun!!!! It´s like watching a sand clock slowly filling in the bottom ... relaxing ...

the same here...... Shocked

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Six Six Six
Doomheim
#167 - 2013-05-14 16:49:46 UTC  |  Edited by: Six Six Six
March rabbit wrote:

and at some point they get podded.... Shocked
but this is offtop


No, a lot never get podded, because they keep an eye on what they're doing as well as staying in NPC corps.



March rabbit wrote:

well, it could help till people collect so much SP so they will have expensive medical clones.

oops, some people already complain about it Shocked.


Agreed, medical clones are too expensive towards the top end of the tree. Iirc that fact alone stops a few players PvPing.



March rabbit wrote:

i played my few first months without implants (couldn't afford them anyway). And i'm still here. Any other questions?
(something tells me that "newer PvPers" here used accordingly to Malcanis law)
.


All new players struggle at the beginning unless they buy and sell PLEX. I'm still here too, but that's not what we were talking about. The problem arrives when you have implants fitted that you can't afford to replace and as it can take a long time to be able to afford those implants you're not eager to lose them.

March rabbit wrote:

As people mentioned already: using +5s instead of +4s you save yourself 5 or about days in a year. You lose more in case of bad remap which you have like 50% of time. So i'm sorry. Show me any REAL reasons (and i mean REAL. Please no "MY SP/HOUR!!!") to use +5s instead of +4 (or even +3s) then we can discuss how learning implants hurt the game.


What amazes me is the few players that defend the fact that PvPers don't use better training implants like it's some kind of badge of honor, but it's not. But that's only one part of it, the main part of it is, it prevents some players PvPing especially towards their earlier part of their careers in EVE.

Fly what you can afford, all well and good, but what do you fly if you can't afford to loss the implants. A JC I hear you say, but not everyone has access to them straight away.[/quote]