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Refocusing: Firing the people who deserve it

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Barakkus
#41 - 2011-10-19 20:01:46 UTC
Btw, the community people are always the first to get the axe, it's very unfortunate, but that's the way it usually goes.

I hope all of them get work VERY soon.

http://youtu.be/yytbDZrw1jc

RougeOperator
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#42 - 2011-10-19 20:02:47 UTC
Jaroslav Unwanted wrote:
Barakkus wrote:
Cyprus Black wrote:
They fired the few devs that the playebase likes. WTF were they thinking?

I'm so disgusted by CCPs behavior as of late. I'm truly at a loss for words at how despicable this is. What more can one do to get through CCPs thick skulls?



This is an official "Call To Unsub" proclamation.
Obviously Hilmar was just blowing smoke up our asses with his "apology" and promise to make things right again. This is quite possibly the worst thing to do when trying to make things right.

CCP still doesn't get it. If they're determined to continue with business as usual, lets take that business away. Lets show them that this deplorable behavior will not be tolerated in the gaming universe. Here's the link to the account page:

https://secure.eveonline.com/

Do the right thing. Unsub your account(s).



Do us a favor and stop posting.


Response to the Cyprus Black initiation.

Do the right thing re-sub and get more people to EVE so CCP will be more confident about their future profits and retract those personnel changes.

That is probably logical way to achieve something positive about cutting off people jobs.


Thats not how it works. You dont reward bad people.

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adopt
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#43 - 2011-10-19 20:04:33 UTC
OP Fuck off and die please. The community team is quite frankly the best team in CCP, they understand the plight of the players, they communicate with us.

We will no longer have random events in trade hubs Sad
I will not have another opportunty to Suicide gank CCP Zymurgist again.

If you feel they deserve it, go play another game you pathetic waste of oxygen.
Benilopax
Fusion Enterprises Ltd
Pandemic Horde
#44 - 2011-10-19 20:06:46 UTC
adopt wrote:
OP Fuck off and die please. The community team is quite frankly the best team in CCP, they understand the plight of the players, they communicate with us.

We will no longer have random events in trade hubs Sad
I will not have another opportunty to Suicide gank CCP Zymurgist again.

If you feel they deserve it, go play another game you pathetic waste of oxygen.


The op was in fact, being sarcastic. Read his post...

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NTRabbit
Guiding Hand Social Club
#45 - 2011-10-19 20:09:14 UTC
Wrangler has been around EVE longer than I have.

This is... disappointing. Most disappointing.

Good time to offload the entire community team though, what with the community calm and placid, nothing going on.
Reverand Pastor
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#46 - 2011-10-19 20:12:24 UTC
anyone that has posted anything anywhere have had interactions with these people. To many they were the "face" of the company since everyone else were pretending eve wasnt a trainwreck. Blaster, Rockets, Supercaps, Null sec, Low sec, Faction Warfare, Mining, Industry. and many other issues that drove people away I hope will be addressed SWIFTLY. I would trade in your transparent blogs for immediate results anyday. Im sure im not the only one that feels my time, energy,and money over the last few years is on the verge of being for nothing. These are hard times for everyone but one thing we could count on was Eve, sadly that doesnt seem to be the case anymore.
Abrazzar
Vardaugas Family
#47 - 2011-10-19 20:13:25 UTC
Hurr no! We're out of touch with the community!
Durr, no! Fire the community team!

I'm starting to picture CCP management as a pile of pugs.
Cherry Nobyl
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#48 - 2011-10-19 20:14:56 UTC
RougeOperator wrote:
Peter VonThal wrote:
CCP fires the only people that the player base feels even listen to them or have the slightest bit of rapport with. I thought CCP was headed in the right direction these last few weeks, though I'm sad to see anyone have to get fired these days. But the list of people on certain websites that have (allegedly) been sacked so far.... wow... I guess CCP just still doesn't "get it."



This is why im besides myself about this.

Its just so insane a dumb a decision that I just left with RAGE at CCP now.

This is MADNESS and its not even Sparta.


there's 2 sides to the nickel here.

1- lower overhead and focus on core design and implementation.

2- lose communication and simply release product via standard channel and patch note process which can be 'done' by the intern.


given the language in CCP Swollen Head's apology letter and prior, we can see that communication as dictated by Head was never really communication. it was standard press release format with little or no discussion. i find it likely that internally Head saw some of the community team as being the bad guys, as they were the one's bringing together and forwarding status reports on community states within the forums and outside the forums (your community is bigger than one board, you research all of it).

with the focus on 'improved communications' being a priority within the refocusing of eve it simply stands as a 'we watch what you do, not what you say' moment. here we see you do this, and it's not a positive step.


/something smells in the left turn to albuquerque as a certain rabbit might comment.
Grey Stormshadow
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#49 - 2011-10-19 20:15:23 UTC
When you take 1 guy out of every 5 guys, you can not pick "only" the ones who no one will never miss.

What comes to selection procedure and reasoning... We may not agree, but honestly - who can say they posses enough information to make this kind of difficult decisions better than people who work in the actual company.

This is sad day for many, blame games or finger pointing will not change that. When people are laid off, people who we know and like will vanish. That is what cutbacks are about. They are not pretty.

When people get laid off, they easily start to blame themselves, even in situations like this, they are just victims of some bad corporate decisions and global recession. Showing support to the people who are leaving and thanking them about past years is something they surely appreciate.

This is not end of world for anyone. There is always tomorrow. It may be better than this day, even today it can be hard to imagine.

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Play with the best - die like the rest

MotherMoon
Tribal Liberation Force
Minmatar Republic
#50 - 2011-10-19 20:15:27 UTC  |  Edited by: MotherMoon
What the hell? Zymurgist and Fallout? That doesn't make sense... they released a dev bog about how they are firing 20% of the workforce to focus on eve and dust for now... This makes the playerbase happy.

And then they fire what are basically eve celebrities, in the same stroke? Thus making the community angry? Maybe we don't have the whole story, maybe those 2 quit. I can't believe anyone is that dumb.

edit: wait Wrangler too? ok fallout and zym i can almost take... but Wrangler? **** OFF CCP. I joined back in 2007 and he was there helping me on day one. This is BS.

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Khira Kitamatsu
#51 - 2011-10-19 20:19:54 UTC
MotherMoon wrote:
I can't believe anyone is that dumb.



Nobody said the guy running CCP was smart.

Ponies!  We need more ponies!

Trainwreck McGee
Doomheim
#52 - 2011-10-19 20:21:34 UTC
I just think its insane that they are cutting WOD development instead of scrapping the **** storm that is DUST 514.

CCP Trainwreck - Weekend Custodial Engineer / CCP Necrogoats foot stool

Cailais
The Red Pill Taker Group
Exxitium
#53 - 2011-10-19 20:24:58 UTC
CCP admits it has a "lack of communication" problem.

CCP fires the only staff that do communicate.











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Hans Jagerblitzen
Ice Fire Warriors
Infinite Pew
#54 - 2011-10-19 20:25:50 UTC
Yeah, this is ridiculous.

CCP made a commitment to more open communication, and deeper involvement with player feedback, and more forum activity to respond to players.

Zymurgist and Fallout were great assets to the playerbase, and did a great job of keeping us informed with as much as they were allowed to share with us.

I cannot fathom how firing the people that deal with the EvE community can be good for the company when this whole crisis stems from not being in touch with the community.

CCP management, this was an 3PIC fail. We still applaud the work being done for Winter Expansion, but this was all about COMMUNITY in the first place. And the two people the community relied on the most, and were connected to the most, are now gone.

Who will take their place??

Who is the new voice of EvE to the playerbase?

What will be done to ensure the community is taken care of, if you've done away with the two primary people dealing with the community??

I dont expect we'll get explanations for every internal company action, but we'd all love to know where this is going.

What a depressing turn of events. I just can't imagine how this fits in with "Lets focus on EvE now".

CPM0 Chairman / CSM7 Vice Secretary

Kengutsi Akira
Doomheim
#55 - 2011-10-19 20:27:23 UTC
Chribba wrote:
Let the community vote! Lol

Bottom 20% gets to go.


Id say fire the guys that started it and continued it after hitting the wall head first, as though they could continue straight through it by sheer force of will, nevermind the blood and cracked skull bits.

We need new leaders not getting rid of the guys whose job was to follow the leader's broken directives

"Is it fair that CCP can get away with..." :: checks ownership on the box ::

Yes

RougeOperator
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#56 - 2011-10-19 20:28:18 UTC  |  Edited by: RougeOperator
When in desperate need of good communications they fired the only people we felt were doing communication with us.

Really CCP....REALLY!

Edit
I have to add that even if they realize this is another MAJOR F UP, hiring people you shouldn't have fired will not fix this damage CCP.

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Velicitia
XS Tech
#57 - 2011-10-19 20:30:03 UTC
OK, take a deep breath and calm down everyone...

better now?

great!


NOW grab your favourite ship, head to Jita and start shooting that statue again. Twisted

One of the bitter points of a good bittervet is the realisation that all those SP don't really do much, and that the newbie is having much more fun with what little he has. - Tippia

Kengutsi Akira
Doomheim
#58 - 2011-10-19 20:30:10 UTC
RougeOperator wrote:


Thats not how it works. You dont reward bad people.


Ya those guys at AGI and the other billion dollar bail out firms got so NOT rewarded by their bad behavior....
Hilmar's spanking must have just been horrible. He was after all the one with the "lets see what they do an not what they say" attitude after all.

Actually, it looks like as far as management types go it should be said you dont reward the hard working ppl that do what theyre told.

"Is it fair that CCP can get away with..." :: checks ownership on the box ::

Yes

Kengutsi Akira
Doomheim
#59 - 2011-10-19 20:34:49 UTC
Hans Jagerblitzen wrote:

Who will take their place??


Goonsquad

Quote:

Who is the new voice of EvE to the playerbase?


CCP Mittani

"Is it fair that CCP can get away with..." :: checks ownership on the box ::

Yes

RougeOperator
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#60 - 2011-10-19 20:34:58 UTC
Velicitia wrote:
OK, take a deep breath and calm down everyone...

better now?

great!


NOW grab your favourite ship, head to Jita and start shooting that statue again. Twisted



JItas navy will shoot me.

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