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So I was an idiot and started a duel (enjoy my sweet sweet tears)
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silens vesica
Corsair Cartel
#101 - 2013-05-13 06:58:43 UTC
Mra Rednu wrote:
Lady Areola Fappington wrote:
I figured from day one, a duel meant pods too.

Why would someone assume pods are immune during a duel? I mean, it's EVE. Anything else would be WoWification.


Dueling in itself is WoWification.

Not sure I'd agree with that. It's a way to allow Concordokken-free PvP anywhere,so it seems to me it's more of an ISK sink, albeit a minor one, than anything else. All the other ways of ganking and gank-baiting still exist.

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Destiny Corrupted
Deadly Viper Kitten Mitten Sewing Company
Senpai's Afterschool Anime and Gaming Club
#102 - 2013-05-13 07:01:01 UTC  |  Edited by: Destiny Corrupted
Herzog Wolfhammer wrote:
And anybody whose played this game long enough knows not to accept the duel from the rookie ship. I'm not falling for that one.

I'm still lacking knowledge on RR alts in this mechanic.

Well gee, luckily for you, you have access to the internet, and there is a plethora of information available in regards to aggression mechanics in EVE Online on it.

Andski wrote:
Be glad that EVE is more PvP optional than ever as it is, stop asking for space battlegrounds

You know that's going to happen anyway, right? They'll win in the end. They've been winning for the better part of a decade now.

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Andski
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#103 - 2013-05-13 07:12:09 UTC  |  Edited by: Andski
These are the types that would call chess broken because their opponent castled and they didn't know you could do that

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RubyPorto
RubysRhymes
#104 - 2013-05-13 07:56:20 UTC  |  Edited by: RubyPorto
Andski wrote:
These are the types that would call chess broken because their opponent castled and they didn't know you could do that




But but but, the King only moves one space.

And and and, you only get to move one piece every turn....



Anyway, bad analogy. Castling is an example where the special rule provides a different mechanic from the norm. The ability to legally pod those whose ships you can legally shoot is the norm. They're complaining because they didn't know a pawn could take their Queen after battering through its protective pawn line.

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Mallak Azaria
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#105 - 2013-05-13 08:03:42 UTC
silens vesica wrote:
Not sure I'd agree with that. It's a way to allow Concordokken-free PvP anywhere,so it seems to me it's more of an ISK sink, albeit a minor one, than anything else. All the other ways of ganking and gank-baiting still exist.


It's a mineral sink. Learn your sinks.

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Roime
Mea Culpa.
Shadow Cartel
#106 - 2013-05-13 08:14:09 UTC  |  Edited by: Roime
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Glad they made coffee drinking fair and equal

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Buhhdust Princess
Mind Games.
#107 - 2013-05-13 09:12:53 UTC
Aaah, people complaining about losing 180m in implants! :/
James Amril-Kesh
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#108 - 2013-05-13 09:55:44 UTC
silens vesica wrote:
Mra Rednu wrote:
Lady Areola Fappington wrote:
I figured from day one, a duel meant pods too.

Why would someone assume pods are immune during a duel? I mean, it's EVE. Anything else would be WoWification.


Dueling in itself is WoWification.

Not sure I'd agree with that. It's a way to allow Concordokken-free PvP anywhere,so it seems to me it's more of an ISK sink, albeit a minor one, than anything else. All the other ways of ganking and gank-baiting still exist.

The only possible sink here is the sales tax when you go to buy a new ship, but seeing as nobody forces you to go buy a new ship there's no part of this that's an actual isk sink.

It's an isk faucet, however, because of insurance.

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Jori McKie
Hedion University
Amarr Empire
#109 - 2013-05-13 10:51:06 UTC
Pods are there to loose, not often in high- and lowsec but sometimes. In other words don't use a clone you can't afford to loose or just don't care and be rich.
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Jayrendo Karr
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#110 - 2013-05-13 15:53:21 UTC
This thread isn't about podding mechanics, it's about the lack of confirmation when issuing a duel challenge.
Some Rando
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#111 - 2013-05-13 15:55:19 UTC
Jayrendo Karr wrote:
This thread isn't about podding mechanics, it's about the lack of confirmation when issuing a duel challenge.

Why should the challenger get a confirmation dialogue when the target accepts? That's dumb.

CCP has no sense of humour.
Vertisce Soritenshi
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#112 - 2013-05-13 16:45:30 UTC
You know...every time I undock I get a duel request from some asshat. I keep declining them and haven't turned on my auto ignore yet. I figured I would try it. Now that I know that CCP herp derped and made it so that duel's destroy your **** when you lose, I won't.

A duel is something you do to test your skills on someone else. A duel should not incur a loss. If I want to kill someone in 1v1 PVP I will do it without asking their permission and with full consequence of Concord.

I am not going to go into why this duel system is a complete fail. I will just end with saying that it doesn't belong in EVE at all and should be removed entirely.

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Jenn aSide
Worthless Carebears
The Initiative.
#113 - 2013-05-13 17:48:24 UTC
Private Pineapple wrote:
baltec1 wrote:
Nyancat Audeles wrote:
Why doesn't CCP make this clear in-game?



They shouldn't have to, its common sense.


It is not common sense. It may be common sense to those who keep up with CCP game mechanics, read forums, read dev blogs, and so on, but the majority of players do not do that, thus the majority of players do not know that "limited engagement" also included allowed podding.

...and even if it was common sense, my situation posted earlier in this thread already shows how pointless it is to retreat to a statement of "its common sense, so dont do it!"


So, its common sens to people who try to be in formed, but people who don't take the time to click on links to pertinent information should be hand-held.

No, sorry, it's like how (in the U.S. at least) "ignorance of the law is not an excuse".
Andski
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#114 - 2013-05-13 18:43:53 UTC  |  Edited by: Andski
Vertisce Soritenshi wrote:
A duel is something you do to test your skills on someone else. A duel should not incur a loss. If I want to kill someone in 1v1 PVP I will do it without asking their permission and with full consequence of Concord.


There are games with zero-consequences, zero-loss PvP for people just like you! EVE isn't one of them, fortunately.

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Destiny Corrupted
Deadly Viper Kitten Mitten Sewing Company
Senpai's Afterschool Anime and Gaming Club
#115 - 2013-05-13 18:56:49 UTC  |  Edited by: Destiny Corrupted
Vertisce Soritenshi wrote:
You know...every time I undock I get a duel request from some asshat. I keep declining them and haven't turned on my auto ignore yet. I figured I would try it. Now that I know that CCP herp derped and made it so that duel's destroy your **** when you lose, I won't.

A duel is something you do to test your skills on someone else. A duel should not incur a loss. If I want to kill someone in 1v1 PVP I will do it without asking their permission and with full consequence of Concord.

I am not going to go into why this duel system is a complete fail. I will just end with saying that it doesn't belong in EVE at all and should be removed entirely.

"I like how EVE is this cold, harsh universe where anything might happen. It really appeals to me. In fact, I'm going to try some pvp. Not now, but soon. You know, someday. Right now I need to run this mission, so that I can make some ISK. When I make enough ISK, I'll try pvp. I probably don't have enough ISK to pvp right now, so I need to make more, in order to afford pvp ships. But for now, I don't have enough of it. I also don't have enough skill points. It's probably a good idea to have more skill points before you pvp. I don't know how many more, but definitely more. I'll probably know when I have enough skill points and ISK to pvp, and then I'll pvp. I will. I totally will, because pvp is fun, even though I never tried it. I'm just not going to be ready for it for a while.

Would be nice if CCP made an opt-out feature for pvp though, so that I could make ISK and train skill points without risking them needlessly so that I can pvp later."

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War Kitten
Panda McLegion
#116 - 2013-05-13 19:40:06 UTC
There should be a confirmation on the forums too.

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Jireel
Perkone
Caldari State
#117 - 2013-05-13 19:40:15 UTC
Destiny Corrupted wrote:
Herzog Wolfhammer wrote:
And anybody whose played this game long enough knows not to accept the duel from the rookie ship. I'm not falling for that one.

I'm still lacking knowledge on RR alts in this mechanic.

Well gee, luckily for you, you have access to the internet, and there is a plethora of information available in regards to aggression mechanics in EVE Online on it.

Andski wrote:
Be glad that EVE is more PvP optional than ever as it is, stop asking for space battlegrounds

You know that's going to happen anyway, right? They'll win in the end. They've been winning for the better part of a decade now.

I can't wait for the tears to flow when this gets implemented. We might supply africa's need for water for at least a week on this one.
Jayrendo Karr
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#118 - 2013-05-13 19:59:53 UTC  |  Edited by: Jayrendo Karr
Is a pop-up saying
Quote:
"Are you sure you wish to challenge x to a duel? Your ship and pod will not be protected by concord.
(Y/N)
[ ] Do not show this message again."
really making the game into hello kitty online?
It doesn't stop duels, it doesn't stop anyone from getting podded. It just means that you don't accidentally issue a duel to a cane, in your frigate.
Destiny Corrupted
Deadly Viper Kitten Mitten Sewing Company
Senpai's Afterschool Anime and Gaming Club
#119 - 2013-05-13 20:13:56 UTC  |  Edited by: Destiny Corrupted
Jayrendo Karr wrote:
Is a pop-up saying
Quote:
"Are you sure you wish to challenge x to a duel? Your ship and pod will not be protected by concord.
(Y/N)
[ ] Do not show this message again."
really making the game into hello kitty online?
It doesn't stop duels, it doesn't stop anyone from getting podded. It just means that you don't accidentally issue a duel to a cane, in your frigate.

Let's say you go to a theme park, and it's Halloween or something. There's a bunch of haunted houses and everything, and it has this dark and scary atmosphere that gets you excited. But then you notice a whole bunch of neon-bright signs everywhere, saying stuff like "NONE OF THIS IS REAL" and "GHOSTS DON'T ACTUALLY EXIST." And before they let you enter a haunted house, they made you take a test and sign a form where you promise that you won't sue the park because you got possessed in one of their attractions. Would you like that?

It's kind of similar here. When I glove-slap a *****, I don't want to be given eight different reminders that, surprise, it might get me shot! I just want to flip a red switch, and if the other party does the same, I get to blast his ass without having my hand held and going through half an hour of bureaucracy.

Hell, in my opinion, CONCORD shouldn't be an automated response mechanic, but one in which the party being shot must send out a distress signal within some amount of time for them to come at all.

I wrote some true EVE stories! And no, they're not of the generic "my 0.0 alliance had lots of 0.0 fleets and took a lot of 0.0 space" sort. Check them out here:

https://truestories.eveonline.com/users/2074-destiny-corrupted
Some Rando
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#120 - 2013-05-13 20:34:33 UTC
Destiny Corrupted wrote:
Hell, in my opinion, CONCORD shouldn't be an automated response mechanic, but one in which the party being shot must send out a distress signal within some amount of time for them to come at all.

Christ, that would be a hell of a lot more fun than the dumbass "safety", dueling, and "activating" killrights as a suspect flag Roll. Of course, knowing CCP, the button would be in some obscure place next to a non-vital and obtrusive modal control, and the tears would be endless.

CCP has no sense of humour.