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So I was an idiot and started a duel (enjoy my sweet sweet tears)
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baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#81 - 2013-05-13 00:02:57 UTC
Private Pineapple wrote:


So why are there confirmations for:

buying an 20,000 isk item at 1 billion isk
entering lowsec
plugging in an implant
going yellow safety
going red safety
ejecting from your ship
...many others


All of which give one warning, just like duels.
Destiny Corrupted
Deadly Viper Kitten Mitten Sewing Company
Senpai's Afterschool Anime and Gaming Club
#82 - 2013-05-13 00:03:41 UTC
I've said it before and I'll say it again here: CCP should just remove this whole pvp thing from the game to fix all of its problems in one fell swoop.

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Some Rando
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#83 - 2013-05-13 00:04:22 UTC
IIRC the message specifically mentions "combat". AFAIK there are no places within EVE where "legal" combat precludes podding.

CCP has no sense of humour.
James Amril-Kesh
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#84 - 2013-05-13 00:07:14 UTC
Some Rando wrote:
IIRC the message specifically mentions "combat". AFAIK there are no places within EVE where "legal" combat precludes podding.

There aren't. This simple understanding solves all of the problems in this thread.
Guess who's responsible for your understanding? You are.

Enjoying the rain today? ;)
Private Pineapple
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#85 - 2013-05-13 00:08:53 UTC  |  Edited by: Private Pineapple
baltec1 wrote:
Private Pineapple wrote:


So why are there confirmations for:

buying an 20,000 isk item at 1 billion isk
entering lowsec
plugging in an implant
going yellow safety
going red safety
ejecting from your ship
...many others


All of which give one warning, just like duels.


And? Why are you opposing the OP's idea of a dialog box again? There is zero warning for issuing a duel request. What's wrong with adding one? (keep in mind there is one for ejecting from your ship, why is there a warning for that but not for issuing a duel?) Why are you opposing my podkilling clarification again? It does not add a warning, it is simply a piece of information. The "warning" is the dialog box.

Destiny Corrupted wrote:
I've said it before and I'll say it again here: CCP should just remove this whole pvp thing from the game to fix all of its problems in one fell swoop.


Agreed. I find dueling to be a casual feature. I am not sure why they added it in the first place.

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baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#86 - 2013-05-13 00:16:02 UTC  |  Edited by: baltec1
Private Pineapple wrote:


There is zero warning for issuing a duel request.




You get the more warning than a titan pilot does with his jump option.
Private Pineapple
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#87 - 2013-05-13 00:17:14 UTC
baltec1 wrote:
Private Pineapple wrote:


There is zero warning for issuing a duel request.


There is for they guy on the other end.

You get the same amount of warning as a titan pilot does with his jump option.


Alright, make a new thread suggesting adding a confirmation for the jump/bridge as a titan pilot. I will support you.

I got your back, man.

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James Amril-Kesh
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#88 - 2013-05-13 00:17:21 UTC
Beachura wrote:
The duel invite is on the right click menu and appreciably easy to click by mistake.

So I went back and checked this claim.
I don't see how anybody could click it by mistake. You have to right click on their ship, go down to Pilot which opens up a secondary menu, and then go all the way down to the last option on the list to invite them to duel. The option is directly below form fleet with and capture portrait.

Enjoying the rain today? ;)
baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#89 - 2013-05-13 00:17:43 UTC
Private Pineapple wrote:


Alright, make a new thread suggesting adding a confirmation for the jump/bridge as a titan pilot. I will support you.

I got your back, man.


Its not an issue.
James Amril-Kesh
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#90 - 2013-05-13 00:18:23 UTC  |  Edited by: James Amril-Kesh
Private Pineapple wrote:
baltec1 wrote:
Private Pineapple wrote:


There is zero warning for issuing a duel request.


There is for they guy on the other end.

You get the same amount of warning as a titan pilot does with his jump option.


Alright, make a new thread suggesting adding a confirmation for the jump/bridge as a titan pilot. I will support you.

I got your back, man.

He's not going to. Neither am I.
In fact it's probably a good thing that there isn't one. Otherwise Asakai would never have happened.

Enjoying the rain today? ;)
Private Pineapple
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#91 - 2013-05-13 00:36:20 UTC  |  Edited by: Private Pineapple
James Amril-Kesh wrote:
Beachura wrote:
The duel invite is on the right click menu and appreciably easy to click by mistake.

So I went back and checked this claim.
I don't see how anybody could click it by mistake. You have to right click on their ship, go down to Pilot which opens up a secondary menu, and then go all the way down to the last option on the list to invite them to duel. The option is directly below form fleet with and capture portrait.


Private Pineapple wrote:


So why are there confirmations for:

buying an 20,000 isk item at 1 billion isk
entering lowsec
plugging in an implant
going yellow safety
going red safety
ejecting from your ship
...many others


Anyways, I'm off. I've said what I needed to say and I did respond to Lady Areola Fappington that I would get off this thread due to what she said. This thread is going in circles. It is up to CCP to do whatever, all we wanted to do was voice our opinion and this thread has been alive long enough for someone important enough to say something about this at CCP HQ to read over it. I'm too lazy to put it in F&I though.

Private Pineapple wrote:
Lady Areola Fappington wrote:

Welcome to EVE!

Seriously though, many ~bittervets~ really hate the idea of duels to begin with. They're just so...WoWlike. The old system of canflipping and such let you pull of many interesting (and scummy) tricks.

Anyway, why tell someone flat-out, when learning by experience is much more enjoyable? It only takes one good pod-loss, then you know better. If we follow the "warning box" idea, then contracts, direct trades, market hub local, and other such things would need a warning attached.


Piggy brings up a good point too. If you PVP with a cheap pod, then getting podded is no biggy. It's only when you have a headfull of +5's and other silly things does it sting.


I hate the idea of duels as well. I was appalled when I got back because I actually thought Limited Engagements meant the fight would go down to 1 health, not ship loss. I have been pleased, however, to see that this is not the case. But I am not supportive of the pod killing thing though I wouldn't remove it -- all I ask for is that it should be there to inform people that pod killing is allowed.

But if you say it like that, "why tell someone flat-out, when learning by experience is much more enjoyable? It only takes one good pod-loss, then you know better." then I am fine with retreating my case and will bid farewell to this thread as I also support that spirit of EVE. But I will say this, I am not saying a new warning box should be added to everything now just to tell the person "Wait! You might be doing something wrong. Be sure to know this: [clarifications go here]". I was actually arguing from the stance that there is already a dialog box for informing the user of a duel request so a simple line of text clarifying pod killing would be easy to add in and it would not change anything for most people except those who do not know that Limited Engagements also allow pod killing.

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RubyPorto
RubysRhymes
#92 - 2013-05-13 05:26:00 UTC  |  Edited by: RubyPorto
Private Pineapple wrote:
Lady Areola Fappington wrote:
I figured from day one, a duel meant pods too.

Why would someone assume pods are immune during a duel? I mean, it's EVE. Anything else would be WoWification.


It is unusual for podding to be allowed high sec. No one is arguing anything about "immunity" here. In nearly all cases (exceptions are wartargets and FW targets... and I'm not really sure but I think -5 sec and lower targets as well) podding was not allowed without Concord consequences.



Anyone you can legally shoot in HS you can legally pod in HS. In No case is shooting someone's ship allowed but podding them not.

So being able to pod a legal target is, in fact, not unusual. It is true of every single case of a legal target.

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Elder Ozzian
Perkone
Caldari State
#93 - 2013-05-13 05:36:24 UTC
Varius Xeral wrote:

I actually think podding after a duel, though not inherently "wrong" as a mechanic, is definitely counter-intuitive, as you're suggesting. It should be mentioned.


Agreed, i lost my pod too in duel because i had a feeling that podding in highsec was very wrong (/cry). Maybe it is mentioned somewhere, but... can i pod suspects?

I disagree!
Some Rando
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#94 - 2013-05-13 05:41:53 UTC
Elder Ozzian wrote:
Varius Xeral wrote:

I actually think podding after a duel, though not inherently "wrong" as a mechanic, is definitely counter-intuitive, as you're suggesting. It should be mentioned.


Agreed, i lost my pod too in duel because i had a feeling that podding in highsec was very wrong (/cry). Maybe it is mentioned somewhere, but... can i pod suspects?

You can pod suspects, you can pod war targets, you can pod anyone you can legally shoot in high-sec. Why should dueling, or the expectations thereof, be any different?

CCP has no sense of humour.
Andski
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#95 - 2013-05-13 06:29:56 UTC
Do you also think the duel offer should specify that your ship can be blown up?

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Herzog Wolfhammer
Sigma Special Tactics Group
#96 - 2013-05-13 06:36:43 UTC
Brace yourselves.

Somebody is going to ask for two kinds of dueling. One "to the death " (meaning podding) and the other "sporting" (ship death only).

This will be followed by an ocean of tears.

Also, one of the "diseases" of this game is that people rely on some little fact that their opponent does not know, and then cry about any effort to make that fact more apparent. They they pretend that they are leet PVPers because of their "edge". Riiiight.


And anybody whose played this game long enough knows not to accept the duel from the rookie ship. I'm not falling for that one.

I'm still lacking knowledge on RR alts in this mechanic.

Bring back DEEEEP Space!
Andski
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#97 - 2013-05-13 06:40:47 UTC  |  Edited by: Andski
Also I think all NPCs should be coded to shoot pods that linger long enough. There's basically no risk to flying around in a multibillion isk clone outside of 0.0 as it is - removing Crimewatch exceptions for pods was a step in the right direction, but the fact that AFK mission runners (read: bots) and miners (read: bots) float around with impunity for hours after getting blown up while surrounded by red crosses is a bit dumb

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Andski
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#98 - 2013-05-13 06:42:24 UTC
Herzog Wolfhammer wrote:
Also, one of the "diseases" of this game is that people rely on some little fact that their opponent does not know, and then cry about any effort to make that fact more apparent. They they pretend that they are leet PVPers because of their "edge". Riiiight.


Yes because your pod being fair game in any limited engagement is such an obscure fact

Be glad that EVE is more PvP optional than ever as it is, stop asking for space battlegrounds

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"It's easy to speak for the silent majority. They rarely object to what you put into their mouths."    - Abrazzar
silens vesica
Corsair Cartel
#99 - 2013-05-13 06:49:21 UTC  |  Edited by: silens vesica
Jayrendo Karr wrote:
I did issue it on purpose, so I'm entirely at fault for the loss of my implants I forgot about.

Eh.
You made a mistake of ignorance, paid the price, learned your lesson, and are taking it all with decent humor.

Seems to me that you're being a 'good' and there's no real drama here.


Dunno that there's any need for changes - you yourself admit the error you made.
Carry on.

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Mra Rednu
Vanishing Point.
#100 - 2013-05-13 06:55:39 UTC
Lady Areola Fappington wrote:
I figured from day one, a duel meant pods too.

Why would someone assume pods are immune during a duel? I mean, it's EVE. Anything else would be WoWification.


Dueling in itself is WoWification.