EVE General Discussion

After having some friends in a high sec war dec lose their POS modules to a ISBoxer player basically Alpha striking their POS, I started to look into this and it does destroy the safety of High sec for carebears.

Now I see another EvE toon with 20 accounts being used by ISBoxer or similar to gank Ice Miners in a 0.6 system. Seeing these people log each character into the game at the same time, and jump, fly, dock etc at the same time seems to show this to be true. It might also show it becouse all his characters are named ##### 1 - ##### 20.

This is just like botting is it not?

So shouldn't this be banned?

Even in null, where I have some of my toons, wouldnt it reduce lag if everyone had to not use these types of software?

CCP... What can be done about this?

so this one time I died because Isboxer and not because I'm a **** pilot.

Again....

No.

One command is sent to each account independently. No difference or advantage for each account when investigated for exploitations. Each one is independent and each has their own EULA.

On the other hand, just smart bomb the whole lot of 'em if you don't like it.

I'd like a PC that can handle the amount of accounts it requres to 'alpha strike' a POS.

Please get a grip on reality and stop posting this sensationalist crap.

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I am using ISBoxer to alpha entire asteroid fields.

ISBoxer is also a liability though.

issue becoming, if you focus on one unit within his group, or surprise him, or really do anything that forces him to disengage, he will have desynched characters and they will ALL die in a fire.

now yes, the response time is lessened with ISBoxer, but really, whats the difference between 1 guy with ISboxer+20 accounts, and 20 guys with 1 acount? both will provide equal DPS and an equal ability to wthstand your counterattack, the only difference is, ISBoxer cannot act independently with each client when needed, creating a massive disadvantage to the owner should he lose battlefield advantage.

see, that's your problem, you can't even begin to discuss this matter until you brand this into your brain. player, as in "person behind keyboard" is NOT the same as licensee, or "player" as defined by the EULA. just because the same physical person signs 50 EULAS, the legal document treats each signer as an individual player. this is not a limitation of the EULA, this is the main reason why companies like CCP can protect the assigned memory region from tampering. (each license has its own memory region)

you are wrong when you say " in every other aspect of EVE we consider the person behind the keyboard as the "target"", in fact, only players think that way, the EULA and CCP would never, EVER make that distinction, unless they want their EULA to lose validity, or work in unintended ways. such as banning people who mine with two accounts... if physical player = licensee then running two clients and mining should result in an immediate ban.

the question of simultaneous control is easy to answer, each license controls input into the license, so the question is, is the input the result of a hardware event or is it the result of software pretending to be a hardware event? the answer is simple, its the result of a hardware event.

wiring one door bell to 20 bell results in one hardware event triggering 20 reactions, how can that splitting be done? ask microsoft. broadcasting is embedded in directx. in fact any interaction with any process that captures mouse or keyboard is "broadcasted", the only difference with multiboxing is that the broadcast, in that case, happens to only one client.

oh, and all this without even bringing up the idiocy of a CODE. member complaining about multiboxing... CODE. took multiboxing in eve and turned it into "lol i have 5 -10 alts and im a Highsec superhero"...

wanna know how CCP will deal with that abuse? changing their EULA? ofc not. that's set in stone at this point. they will fight it with Tags4sec. which in turn means that in the next expansions they will just restrict access to highsec for -5 and force people to pay Isk to fly freely.

honestly, the CODE. is the worst thing that could happen to eve in years...

I trained Starbase defense management to 5 hoping someone would be stupid enough to try this on me. I know how much it costs to replace a Tower and mods. If I can kill a single battleship the loss ratio is in my favor.

CCP wont ban this. Why? Each account = subscription. PVP wise, an ISK boxing fleet of 20 vs a 20 man actual fleet... Guess who will win if they aren't terrible.