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Mfume Apocal
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#21 - 2011-10-20 07:51:33 UTC
Dark Pangolin wrote:
With very few exceptions I have never encountered anything in 0.0 or anywhere else that could go toe to toe with a fleet of FW vets.


no troll, where do you live? and what times can we find this 50 man gang of yours?
sYnc Vir
Wolfsbrigade
Ghost Legion.
#22 - 2011-10-20 08:11:54 UTC
As far as the Amarr go we pretty much have fleets all day. However dont x for them if you have to go buy a ship, alot of FW fights are formed in 10minutes and consist of

"X up for nano shield roam, BC and down."

or

"20man Minnie gang on Auga gate Dal, X up"

If you join FW, then Day 1 pick a home, fill it with ships before even getting into the mix with fights. Have swap out mods in station and be perpared to hear how your fit sucks and quickly change it. It wont be personal it will just be an FC wanting everyone on the same page.

Speaking personally, I have in my home system 50 Combat ships fit, ammo and droned up and right click, make active, undockable. Its likely expected of everyone to have at lease a dozen ships ready.

I know the plexing gang FCs like people to have 5 or so Dessi/Frigs fit in their staging system at all times. This is of course on top of the normal couple of BCs armor and shield. Abaddons, and throw away cruisers.

FW is where everyone dies. One of the reasons for the insanely high LP rewards from mission is the turn over of ships. Its not unknown for someone to die and reship a number of times during a single fight.

Amarr themselves base out of Kamela, Houla, Kourmonan and Auga. All of them are lowsec Kamela has high sec entry points for easy access in bring in ships. Just be in FW before you do that thou, Shinny is Shinny and we do get tempted.

Don't ask about Italics, just tilt your head.
Bad Messenger
Rehabilitation Clinic
#23 - 2011-10-20 11:06:01 UTC
FW is dead.

All militias have done together only 1343 kill in a week, if month has 4 weeks it makes 5372 kills in month and average is 1343 / militia / month

then if we look at evekill stats from last month http://eve-kill.net/?a=top20

top alliance 1 Goonswarm Federation 5415 , so they kill more than all militias together.

top corporation 1 Blue Republic 3067, kills more than 2 militias together.

and funny fact is that corporation ranked 9 CONCORD 1425, kills more than one average militia.

Fw is dead.
Damar Rocarion
Nasranite Watch
#24 - 2011-10-20 11:52:26 UTC
Bad Messenger wrote:
and funny fact is that corporation ranked 9 CONCORD 1425, kills more than one average militia.

Fw is dead.


Pretty much. Perhaps if Froggies would stop pretending they are in for the "good fights" in enviroment where they have constant and overwhelming number superiority, along with blues with most pirate corps in the area, it would be less annoying to see them talk about their epeen here.
Zeerover
TunDraGon
Goonswarm Federation
#25 - 2011-10-20 12:03:45 UTC
Bad Messenger wrote:
FW is dead.

All militias have done together only 1343 kill in a week, if month has 4 weeks it makes 5372 kills in month and average is 1343 / militia / month

then if we look at evekill stats from last month http://eve-kill.net/?a=top20

top alliance 1 Goonswarm Federation 5415 , so they kill more than all militias together.

top corporation 1 Blue Republic 3067, kills more than 2 militias together.

and funny fact is that corporation ranked 9 CONCORD 1425, kills more than one average militia.

Fw is dead.


The militia stats don't include all the kills vs pirates and other low-sec dwellers. I'll admit that it's not as active as it used to be, but to call the Amarr/Minmatar zone dead is either misinformed or deliberately obtuse.

[img]http://i.imgur.com/Qrwa2.png[/img]
Bad Messenger
Rehabilitation Clinic
#26 - 2011-10-20 12:19:21 UTC
Zeerover wrote:
Bad Messenger wrote:
FW is dead.

All militias have done together only 1343 kill in a week, if month has 4 weeks it makes 5372 kills in month and average is 1343 / militia / month

then if we look at evekill stats from last month http://eve-kill.net/?a=top20

top alliance 1 Goonswarm Federation 5415 , so they kill more than all militias together.

top corporation 1 Blue Republic 3067, kills more than 2 militias together.

and funny fact is that corporation ranked 9 CONCORD 1425, kills more than one average militia.

Fw is dead.


The militia stats don't include all the kills vs pirates and other low-sec dwellers. I'll admit that it's not as active as it used to be, but to call the Amarr/Minmatar zone dead is either misinformed or deliberately obtuse.


Those kills that are not counted on militia stats has nothing to do with FW, you can kill those without being in FW.
Zeerover
TunDraGon
Goonswarm Federation
#27 - 2011-10-20 12:43:58 UTC
Bad Messenger wrote:
Zeerover wrote:
Bad Messenger wrote:
FW is dead.

All militias have done together only 1343 kill in a week, if month has 4 weeks it makes 5372 kills in month and average is 1343 / militia / month

then if we look at evekill stats from last month http://eve-kill.net/?a=top20

top alliance 1 Goonswarm Federation 5415 , so they kill more than all militias together.

top corporation 1 Blue Republic 3067, kills more than 2 militias together.

and funny fact is that corporation ranked 9 CONCORD 1425, kills more than one average militia.

Fw is dead.


The militia stats don't include all the kills vs pirates and other low-sec dwellers. I'll admit that it's not as active as it used to be, but to call the Amarr/Minmatar zone dead is either misinformed or deliberately obtuse.


Those kills that are not counted on militia stats has nothing to do with FW, you can kill those without being in FW.


Still hanging on to the misinformed or deliberately obtuse I see...

Those targets come to said systems because the militias live there, thus without FW those kills would not be there and hence those kills have everything to do with FW. How was Arzad before FW? Or Kamela, Kourmonen, Huola, Dal, Ardar and Eszur? This point can even be taken to the Cal/Gal zone, without the FW targets few pirates would want to be in low-sec. Apart from pipe systems and chokehold exits the FW zones are the only place with any activity in low-sec - and that's because the FW corps are there.

[img]http://i.imgur.com/Qrwa2.png[/img]
Bengal Bob
Slymsloot Enterprises
#28 - 2011-10-20 12:56:56 UTC
FW is dying if not dead. Too many people have left for other games or gone inactive whilst they wait for CCP to give FW some love. The majority of the rest are mission whores that are never seen in a pvp ship or even in the war zones.

I think Amarr have about 60 active pvpers, and the minnies have about 40. Nothing much changes on a day to day basis as we all know each others tactics too well.

WOT and Perpetuum both offer more interesting pvp and so people are becoming more and more invested in those games.

Personally I find solitaire more interesting than FW pvp atm.

But, chatting to people it seems that this is spread through a lot of areas in EVE atm. Everyone seems to be waiting to see if CCP does actually DO something rather than just trying to string us along.

I guess they are running out of time.
Mehashi 'Kho
New Eden Motion Pictures
#29 - 2011-10-20 12:57:06 UTC
Hmm because it's totally reasonable to compare a massive organisation of 1000's to the 100's in fw... *sigh*
FW isn't dead, it's just quieter than null and high, as you should expect from anything based in low sec.
And does it really suprise you that with people from all sorts of eve corps and alliances ganking that concord would be so highly ranked?

Oh yeah FW is dead, bought to you by the daily mail and fox news Roll
Bad Messenger
Rehabilitation Clinic
#30 - 2011-10-20 13:07:38 UTC
Mehashi 'Kho wrote:
Hmm because it's totally reasonable to compare a massive organisation of 1000's to the 100's in fw... *sigh*
FW isn't dead, it's just quieter than null and high, as you should expect from anything based in low sec.
And does it really suprise you that with people from all sorts of eve corps and alliances ganking that concord would be so highly ranked?

Oh yeah FW is dead, bought to you by the daily mail and fox news Roll


Massive organisation ? goonswarm federation has 6095 members, all militias have together total 22831 members.
Bad Messenger
Rehabilitation Clinic
#31 - 2011-10-20 13:14:57 UTC
Zeerover wrote:
Bad Messenger wrote:
Zeerover wrote:
Bad Messenger wrote:
FW is dead.

All militias have done together only 1343 kill in a week, if month has 4 weeks it makes 5372 kills in month and average is 1343 / militia / month

then if we look at evekill stats from last month http://eve-kill.net/?a=top20

top alliance 1 Goonswarm Federation 5415 , so they kill more than all militias together.

top corporation 1 Blue Republic 3067, kills more than 2 militias together.

and funny fact is that corporation ranked 9 CONCORD 1425, kills more than one average militia.

Fw is dead.


The militia stats don't include all the kills vs pirates and other low-sec dwellers. I'll admit that it's not as active as it used to be, but to call the Amarr/Minmatar zone dead is either misinformed or deliberately obtuse.


Those kills that are not counted on militia stats has nothing to do with FW, you can kill those without being in FW.


Still hanging on to the misinformed or deliberately obtuse I see...

Those targets come to said systems because the militias live there, thus without FW those kills would not be there and hence those kills have everything to do with FW. How was Arzad before FW? Or Kamela, Kourmonen, Huola, Dal, Ardar and Eszur? This point can even be taken to the Cal/Gal zone, without the FW targets few pirates would want to be in low-sec. Apart from pipe systems and chokehold exits the FW zones are the only place with any activity in low-sec - and that's because the FW corps are there.


On Gallente/Caldari area Old Man Star and Tama were well known pirate systems before militia, Blackrise has no history before FW because that region was made for FW.

Many pirates did not like FW at start because it was ruining their pirating possibilities and they moved away from fw area.
X Gallentius
Black Eagle1
#32 - 2011-10-20 13:16:32 UTC  |  Edited by: X Gallentius
Stats for October:
Name # Members Total Kills Kills/Member Comments
Blue Rep 649 3067 4.7 <---- (#1 in kills for month) Lives in high sec
BOAE INC 110 1089 9.9 <---- (#20 in kills for month) Great Kill/Member ratio for decent sized corp.
draketrain 90 366 4.1 <---- Former FW Corp. Have lost many members since leaving FW
QCATS 122 570 4.7 <----- FW corp. Have continued to grow slowly over time.

(This is a slow month for QCATS, we usually have 70 more kills at this time)

If FW is dead, draketrain is dead. +1 to BOAE, Awesome Kill/member ratio.

QCATS is averaging 30-50% more FW kills this month than it ever has (90-110 (final blows and not just in on kms) on FW WTs per week). FW is dead.

Edit: What we're going to hear next is that the overall numbers of FW players is nothing compared to the largest alliance in the game and this is definitely true. (depending on if you compare ACTIVE FW players to total numbers of inactive and active players in xxDeathxx or Goonswarm - overall FW numbers are about 20k total but most of them, like some bloated alliances are inactive).

The reason you as an individual should get into FW, however, is that you're going to get lots of pvp - as much or more than draketrain (an "elite" pvp corp in null sec nowadays that is slowly dieing off in numbers) without having to pay tribute to your alliance overlords.

Have fun, get kills, be your own boss. What more could you ask for?
Trinkets friend
Sudden Buggery
Sending Thots And Players
#33 - 2011-10-20 13:28:47 UTC
FW might be more of a zombie than truly dead, but my memories of FW in Minni militia was a good one. I just couldn't be bothered repairing a totally trashed faction standing, so next time I would probably avoid plexing.

I think the key is to not join the frogs, because you'll just be bored sitting on your thumb waiting to catch the squids. If you become a squid, you'll probably be frustrated that you have a billion people in Militia chat, and they are all too busy making ISK to pew pew.

So join the blackamoors or the godbotherers. Sure, you probably now have to deal with PL in Amamake, or BANE blobbing occasionally, but you will likely get better fights on either side. I can't talk of the Amarr FCs but the minnie guys are pretty competent, you'll get small gang fights regularly, and get your arse blobbed heavily weekly, but thats EVE anyway.

Plus, come the new PI nerf, FW will be a great place to buy the Custom Office BPC's, and you will make serious bank on this.

As for pimezones, Amarr's PIE Inc. has a core of AU TZ players; the minnie militia used to have a fair few AU players, but not sure anymore.

~~ Localectomy Blog ~~
Bad Messenger
Rehabilitation Clinic
#34 - 2011-10-20 13:32:51 UTC
X Gallentius wrote:
Stats for October:
Name # Members Total Kills Kills/Member Comments
Blue Rep 649 3067 4.7 <---- (#1 in kills for month) Lives in high sec
BOAE INC 110 1089 9.9 <---- (#20 in kills for month) Great Kill/Member ratio for decent sized corp.
draketrain 90 366 4.1 <---- Former FW Corp. Have lost many members since leaving FW
QCATS 122 570 4.7 <----- FW corp. Have continued to grow slowly over time.

(This is a slow month for QCATS, we usually have 70 more kills at this time)

If FW is dead, draketrain is dead. +1 to BOAE, Awesome Kill/member ratio.

QCATS is averaging 30-50% more FW kills this month than it ever has (90-110 (final blows and not just in on kms) on FW WTs per week). FW is dead.


Edit: What we're going to hear next is that the overall numbers of FW corps is nothing compared to the largest alliance in the game and this is definitely true. The reason you as an individual should get into FW, however, is that you're going to get lots of pvp - as much or more than draketrain (and "elite" pvp corp in null sec nowadays that is slowly dieing off in numbers) without having to pay tribute to your alliance overlords.

Have fun, get kills, be your own boss. What more could you ask for?


Draketrain member count has dropped yes, but our current focus is not to expand our corporation, it is to do co-operation with certain corporations and alliances and that has been very good strategy.

People want to do so much different things , care bearing, industry, 0.0 sov etc... but we try to organize pvp operations were everyone can participate if they have time from their own business.

example: http://draketrain.eve-kill.net/?a=kill_related&kll_id=10795869

As you can see there is many names from militia on our common operation, they are not draketrain but they still participate same ops.
Markius TheShed
T.R.I.A.D
Ushra'Khan
#35 - 2011-10-20 13:45:59 UTC  |  Edited by: Markius TheShed
Damar Rocarion wrote:


Pretty much. Perhaps if Froggies would stop pretending they are in for the "good fights" in enviroment where they have constant and overwhelming number superiority, along with blues with most pirate corps in the area, it would be less annoying to see them talk about their epeen here.


I wish Damar would stop trying to come across as the only person in FW who gives fair fights and EVERYONE else is doing it wrong except him.

Most of the tactics that you have complain about in this thread (& regularly) you have used on me at one time or another your not part of the solution your part of the problem.

But back to the OP with pretty much the removal of High Sec war dec's from now on FW is the best way of getting quick and cheap PVP.

EDIT : If you want a better idea how great FW can be read the rise of the wolf thread

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X Gallentius
Black Eagle1
#36 - 2011-10-20 14:12:29 UTC
Don't give in to the "null sec is more active" lie. FW low sec has the most active pvp in the game. Smaller sized fleets, but many more, engagements. More kills/system than 90% of null sec.

If you want to roam with 60 to 500 man "open ocean" fleets, head to null sec and get bored to tears. If you want lots of smaller scale pvp, 1 to 20 players, get into FW.

Are you ADHD? Head to FW.
Bengal Bob
Slymsloot Enterprises
#37 - 2011-10-20 14:18:38 UTC
FW may not be dead, but is is definitely dying - at least on the minnie/ammarr front.
I can't speak for the others, they might be very lucky.

October 2009
October 2010
October 2011

Most of these fights are no longer quality either, just unlucky people being ganked/station campers or people being bored and suiciding.

You can also see the general militia has died over time.

Bad Messenger
Rehabilitation Clinic
#38 - 2011-10-20 15:27:24 UTC
X Gallentius wrote:
Don't give in to the "null sec is more active" lie. FW low sec has the most active pvp in the game. Smaller sized fleets, but many more, engagements. More kills/system than 90% of null sec.

If you want to roam with 60 to 500 man "open ocean" fleets, head to null sec and get bored to tears. If you want lots of smaller scale pvp, 1 to 20 players, get into FW.

Are you ADHD? Head to FW.


I did not say that 0.0 is more active, we do gank people in lowsec too. But militia has nothing to offer really, if we join militia no one will fight against us anyway in there. And last time i was in militia certain bugs prevented some tactics totally.

There is no reason to be in militia with your main, keep alt in to get missions, that is enough.
Dirk Smacker
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#39 - 2011-10-20 15:29:45 UTC
Zeerover wrote:


The militia stats don't include all the kills vs pirates and other low-sec dwellers. I'll admit that it's not as active as it used to be, but to call the Amarr/Minmatar zone dead is either misinformed or deliberately obtuse.

Actually, they do count every kill a militia member participates in, even when they blow up their own cyno.

However, the way Bad Messenger presented his argument was dishonest. FW is still a good place to get a lot of PvP and a great opportunity to live in low sec. The roughly 300 active players per side are not going to compete with alliances that have 1000+ members getting kills from large fleet battles and POS modules.

I guess once you have a signature, you cannot have a blank one.
Dirk Smacker
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#40 - 2011-10-20 15:33:27 UTC
Mehashi 'Kho wrote:

Oh yeah FW is dead, bought to you by the daily mail and fox news Roll

You are a douchebag for bringing politics into a gaming forum.

I guess once you have a signature, you cannot have a blank one.