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LVL 4 Tengu suggestions....

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Jake Warbird
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#21 - 2013-05-13 18:13:04 UTC
M'ktakh
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#22 - 2013-05-13 20:00:40 UTC
[Tengu, HAM Tengu]
Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System
Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System
Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System
Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System

Republic Fleet 10MN Afterburner
Shield Boost Amplifier II
Shield Boost Amplifier II
Pithi B-Type Small Shield Booster
Target Painter II
Adaptive Invulnerability Field II

Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Scourge Rage Heavy Assault Missile
Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Scourge Rage Heavy Assault Missile
Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Scourge Rage Heavy Assault Missile
Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Scourge Rage Heavy Assault Missile
Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Scourge Rage Heavy Assault Missile
Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Scourge Rage Heavy Assault Missile

Medium Hydraulic Bay Thrusters II
Medium Rocket Fuel Cache Partition II
Medium Hydraulic Bay Thrusters I

Tengu Defensive - Amplification Node
Tengu Electronics - Dissolution Sequencer
Tengu Engineering - Augmented Capacitor Reservoir
Tengu Offensive - Accelerated Ejection Bay
Tengu Propulsion - Fuel Catalyst

966 dps (with reload)@41k with Rage
644 dps (with reload)@72k with Javelin


You need to pay some attention, so if you want to AFK-F1, then stick with HML, but otherwise, much better damage to everything but fast elite frigates
Zan Shiro
Doomheim
#23 - 2013-05-14 15:01:26 UTC  |  Edited by: Zan Shiro
Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System
Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System
Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System
Gravimetric Backup Array II


ECCM - Gravimetric II
Republic Fleet 10MN Afterburner
Gistii B-Type Small Shield Booster
Gistii B-Type Small Shield Booster
Gistum B-Type EM Ward Amplifier
Gistum B-Type Thermic Dissipation Amplifier

Heavy Missile Launcher II,Mjolnir Heavy Missile
Heavy Missile Launcher II,Mjolnir Heavy Missile
Heavy Missile Launcher II,Mjolnir Heavy Missile
Heavy Missile Launcher II,Mjolnir Heavy Missile
Heavy Missile Launcher II,Mjolnir Heavy Missile
Heavy Missile Launcher II,Mjolnir Heavy Missile

Medium Capacitor Control Circuit II
Medium Warhead Rigor Catalyst II
Medium Warhead Flare Catalyst II

Tengu Defensive - Amplification Node
Tengu Electronics - Dissolution Sequencer
Tengu Engineering - Augmented Capacitor Reservoir
Tengu Offensive - Accelerated Ejection Bay
Tengu Propulsion - Fuel Catalyst


Ammo and resists to rats

I see gurista missions alot and this offsets alot of jams. Hard to find a side bene.

The CCC II only needed for permarun until you have very good engineering skills. I actually don't need it anymore. I keep the CCC in case needed for when I do something funky fit wise and need it again in the future basically.

Worst beating I get is in 1 sansha mission (normal) and this is 25% if that damage to shield levels. Most of the time, jsut speed tank, kill frigs with a vengeance and its all good.

Most active hardeners will fit and permarun as is (i never eft'd pith gear tbh...so don't know about them)...I like passive resists and these I have had the whole set for a while. they resist fine so not seeing a need to spend more on a very workable setup.
Sergeant Acht Scultz
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#24 - 2013-05-18 20:28:16 UTC
Since missile changes HAM's Tengu is the way to go with full range riggs and actually I use more tank than TP which is imho useless to waste a tank slot for a couple frigs it will take 1 or 2 more voley to get down, and when you know how fast ham's launchers fire welp, there are bette options for that mid.

With good skills and some basic implants+rage you get more dps than you need to kill everything, 1.2k DPS OH you're doing 100% dmg on everything cruiser and above, it's overkill.

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Kaal Redrum
The Tuskers
The Tuskers Co.
#25 - 2013-05-19 15:13:29 UTC  |  Edited by: Kaal Redrum
Quote:
I use more tank than TP which is imho useless to waste a tank slot for a couple frigs it will take 1 or 2 more voley to get down, and when you know how fast ham's launchers fire welp, there are bette options for that mid.


Forgivable for a level 4.

Its when those 2-3 Frigs turn out to be scram, web and elite when you really start hoping you had rigor rigged and packed some TPs. Ive seen 1.5-2B dead Tengus flown by experiences pilots, because they got allured by the EFT DPS display.

Make sure your applied dps on elite frigates and cruisers is not Kestrel grade.

HAMs dont have an anti-frig ammo option, so ignoring TPs/Webs or Rigor Rigs is not very smart. Take your own advice - the HAM launchers anyways fire very fast, a few more cycles vs Battleships is not worth losing your T3 to elite frigs and cruisers.

Having said the above, If this hasnt been said before - unless you plan on blitzing L4s in low/null sec, even a 4-500M Tengu is a royal waste. A 150-200M Raven will do it as well.
Kitty Bear
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#26 - 2013-05-20 00:23:59 UTC
Kaal Redrum wrote:


HAMs dont have an anti-frig ammo option


Long Range
Anti Ship

They seem different, somehow.
Dato Koppla
Spaghetti Militia
#27 - 2013-05-20 01:51:56 UTC
You definitely want at least 1 TP for a HAM tengu, there are some missions (a mercenaries mission, cant remember the name) where a whole bunch of elite frigs spawn on top of you and web you down like 5x at which point unless you're running a massive overtank, your Tengu will take alot of damage and if you cant down them quick enough you can lose it.
Kaal Redrum
The Tuskers
The Tuskers Co.
#28 - 2013-05-20 19:16:54 UTC  |  Edited by: ISD Cura Ursus
Kitty Bear wrote:
Kaal Redrum wrote:


HAMs dont have an anti-frig ammo option


Long Range
Anti Ship

They seem different, somehow.


Yes, please use 'Anti Ship' HAMs vs Frigates.

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Kitty Bear
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#29 - 2013-05-21 01:30:19 UTC
Kaal Redrum wrote:
Kitty Bear wrote:
Kaal Redrum wrote:


HAMs dont have an anti-frig ammo option


Long Range
Anti Ship

They seem different, somehow.


Yes, please use 'Anti Ship' HAMs vs Frigates.

Sorry, but there is not easier or polite way to say this - youre a moron.



I keep forgetting this is the internet .. where rudeness and arrogance is empowered by anonymity

CCP named them not me ...
I just looked at the raw data of things like
Explosion Radius & Velocity .... and lo and behold, as I said, they are different




I hear Target Painters and Webbifiers make missiles do more damage to targets
of course EFT doesn't change it's reported DPS value when those 2 items are included in a fit
so I guess it's easy to see why some people may discount them.
Sergeant Acht Scultz
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#30 - 2013-05-21 11:18:02 UTC
Kaal Redrum wrote:
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Sorry but if you can't handle a couple elite frigs on a Tengu with ham's you shouldn't fly a Tengu and should actually spend a bit more time training your missile support your tank and navigation skills.

Before missile changes I'd say yes of course, but at this right moment? -jeez a MWD'n elite frigate with implants and base sign radius of 25 gets simply two volleyed before enter the 10km critical zone, after this is a matter of 3 or 4 more volleys, and this is for players smallest sign radius frigates, NPC's are far bigger and your HAM Tengu is shooting at almost 1sec rate.

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Edwin McAlister
Empire Hooligans
#31 - 2013-05-21 13:58:11 UTC
this is what I use on L4 missions and have had zero issues .. as long as I keep the AB running and speed tanking

HIGH
6x heavy assault missile launcher II

Med:
small shield booster II
2x adaptive invul field II
Thermic Dissipation Amplifier II
Kinetic Deflection Amplifier II
10mn Afterburner II

Low:
3x BCS II
1x PDS II

I swap out the 2 hardeners based off missions
the 30km range on the HAMs has given me ZERO issues (I used to use heavy missiles until recently , I like the HAMs better)

with my skills, cap lasts 8 min, DPS = 664.9

Ed
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