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Rhivre
TarNec
Invisible Exchequer
#41 - 2013-06-10 12:03:20 UTC
HalfArse wrote:
I may have missed something but isnt having a second account a hell of a lot better than training two on the same account?

RL cost of plex is £17. cost of a full account is £10 a month. If you use isk instead to buy plex they cost the same.

why on earth would anyone ever use this feature?



Because I have an indy on this account, who is lacking one or two skills to finish her T2 production and invention stuff.

I need to log onto her for 30 mins a week. Having 2 accounts for this would be stupid.

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RubyPorto
RubysRhymes
#42 - 2013-06-10 12:04:14 UTC
HalfArse wrote:
I may have missed something but isnt having a second account a hell of a lot better than training two on the same account?

RL cost of plex is £17. cost of a full account is £10 a month. If you use isk instead to buy plex they cost the same.

why on earth would anyone ever use this feature?


As has been explained several times:

A transfer fee costs $20 or 2 PLEX. If you don't need to train the alt forever, and the increased cost associated with using Dual Character training over the life of your skill queue is less than that transfer fee, Dual Character training is cheaper for you.

If you plan on training a character indefinitely, then yes, it would be silly, but not all alts have indefinite skill plans.

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HalfArse
Wixo Trading Co.
#43 - 2013-06-10 15:25:21 UTC  |  Edited by: HalfArse
oh ic, so if you literately only want a bit of training one 1 char and nothing else? still seems quite a niche demand
Bugsy VanHalen
Society of lost Souls
#44 - 2013-06-10 15:31:37 UTC  |  Edited by: Bugsy VanHalen
Airto TLA wrote:
Bugsy VanHalen wrote:
I really see no point to this. if you are willing to pay basically full subscription price to train a second character, why not have them on a separate account? You gain the benefit of being able to log both on at the same time.

The only advantage I can see to this is if you want to train up an alt, you save the character transfer fee from moving them to your main account. If you stop PLEXing the alt, you can still play them as the account is active, but not train them without stopping training on your alt. So i guess it does fill a small niche.

I just don't see this generating enough of a demand to affect PLEX prices. The speculation will affect the price more than the change itself. But that is true of almost every major change EVE has seen in the last few years.


Isee two reasons to use this feature, dropping a 20-30 day skill plan alt in place on an existing account where it is not needed to be logged in except occasionally, Second would be where you "finished" and alt tranfered it to a permanent account and CCP changed the rules (or the Meta game changed) on you and you need some more skills to function


I believe I covered those, But as I said, I do not see this generating enough demand to affect PLEX prices.

The options you suggest are perfectly valid, but I do not see them being very commonly used.

For example,Say i have an account that I regularly pay for with PLEX. I can start a new account using the buddy system, I use a PLEX to activate that account. I get that account active for 21 days, plus 30 days from the PLEX. I have 51 days to train a few skills on that alt. meanwhile my main account gets a bonus of 30 days game time for the activation of the buddy account. So basically the PLEX used to activate the buddy account was free as I no longer need one for that month on the main account. At the end of the 51 days I pay $10 to transfer the character to my main account. So that 51 day of training only cost me $10.

If you need more than 51 days training it is a PLEX for every 30 days.Base costs do not change and the $10 transfer fee has already been accounted for.

Now to use the new system to train an alt already on your main account you do not get that 51 days free, You would be using 2 PLEX with a value of $40 to get 60 days training time, compared to only paying the $10 transfer fee for 51 Days training using the buddy system. The new system, although more convenient, is the more expensive option. Not to mention when starting a new account, if you can get your hands on a cerebral accelerator you get 30 days of that training at an accelerated rate. Since they can only be used on accounts less than 30 days old, it is not an option when training an alt on the main account.

As I said, there are some niche cases where this new option will be great, I do not see it being used widely enough to affect PLEX prices. Especially when considering the old way, I described still required a PLEX.
Kara Books
Deal with IT.
#45 - 2013-06-10 17:49:39 UTC
If you where to frequent SCC-lounge, you would have seen the daily llllloooong discussions on the subject before this took effect.
Inokuma Yawara
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#46 - 2013-06-15 02:19:22 UTC
I don't see how you don't see this is not as useful as one might think. On the one hand you're paying $30.00 U.S. for two accounts, or you're paying $30.00 U.S. for one account. In both instances, you can train two toons simultaneously. With two accounts, you get two mains and 4 alts, with one account you get one main and two alts.

I am not going to pay $30.00 for an account if I can only log on to one toon at a time. If I really have to pay to train an alt that I can't log on to, because I'm on my main, the most I'd pay would be $5.00 U.S. extra for one account; that's $20.00 U.S.

Then there would be value, the value of two accounts with two simultaneously logged on toons, and the value of one account with an offline alt in training for only $5.00 U.S. more. I'll pay $20.00 U.S. more easily than $30.00.

If I'm going to pay $30.00 bucks, I'll just create a second full account and log on both toons. Otherwise, I'll not make use of the feature and just pay the $15.00 a month for a single account.

Don't talk to me about paying ISK for PLEX. I don't make enough ISK for that (yet). Even if I did, I would not spend my ISK on that. $15.00 U.S. is cheaper than 600,000,000.00 ISK or 6,000,000,000.00 ISK (whaterver the going rate for PLEX is these days) any month.

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Nyancat Audeles
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#47 - 2013-06-15 03:00:45 UTC
Inokuma Yawara wrote:
I don't see how you don't see this is not as useful as one might think. On the one hand you're paying $30.00 U.S. for two accounts, or you're paying $30.00 U.S. for one account. In both instances, you can train two toons simultaneously. With two accounts, you get two mains and 4 alts, with one account you get one main and two alts.

I am not going to pay $30.00 for an account if I can only log on to one toon at a time. If I really have to pay to train an alt that I can't log on to, because I'm on my main, the most I'd pay would be $5.00 U.S. extra for one account; that's $20.00 U.S.

Then there would be value, the value of two accounts with two simultaneously logged on toons, and the value of one account with an offline alt in training for only $5.00 U.S. more. I'll pay $20.00 U.S. more easily than $30.00.

If I'm going to pay $30.00 bucks, I'll just create a second full account and log on both toons. Otherwise, I'll not make use of the feature and just pay the $15.00 a month for a single account.

Don't talk to me about paying ISK for PLEX. I don't make enough ISK for that (yet). Even if I did, I would not spend my ISK on that. $15.00 U.S. is cheaper than 600,000,000.00 ISK or 6,000,000,000.00 ISK (whaterver the going rate for PLEX is these days) any month.


With an alt account, you have to continue paying for the account to use a character you have trained. With this system, you can train a character as long as you want to (say, 2 months for a cheap hauler, trader, or FW alt) and you can always use the char as long as your main is active.
Ireland VonVicious
Vicious Trading Company
#48 - 2013-06-15 05:02:28 UTC
As a person who is part of this niche demand I'll try to explain what this is doing.

First I hate the idea of running more than one account.

I've always wanted a little love sent to my other 2 toons on same account but I've never been willing to stop this toon from training. (( Max SP per hour or GTFO ))

Now the things I want on those toons are minimal. Better indy ships, cynos, PI.

Before this existed I figured I'd have to get another account and train them up then pay to transfer.
I just never got around to it as it never seemed worth a couple billion isk to make that happen.

With the changes I'm already working on the grand plan and 2 plex instead of 4 but I don't get the free time to the main account when using the buddy deals.

So does this really help if using cash? Hell yes it does. If my wife saw eve charges all over the place I'd have an ear full of **** I don't want to hear about or try to explain.

I love the new duel training and have no need to train all 3 at once. This thing came around at the right time for me and I avoid wife aggro which is the worst kind of aggro you can get.

Over all the effect on PLEX will be almost nothing.
Those thinking this option is useless are wrong.
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