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Ingvar Angst
Nasty Pope Holding Corp
#161 - 2011-12-12 14:05:30 UTC
Looks like someone is bringing the whine again, so time to pull out the cheese.

Six months in the hole... it changes a man.
SGT FUNYOUN
Elysian Space Navy - 1st Fleet
#162 - 2011-12-13 02:04:50 UTC
I support this thread.

+1 baby.
LeHarfang
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#163 - 2011-12-13 06:04:08 UTC
Bumped. OP's idea seems nice after all.
Orisa Medeem
Hedion University
Amarr Empire
#164 - 2011-12-20 14:56:17 UTC
Bump for support.

:sand:  over  :awesome:
Alx Warlord
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#165 - 2011-12-20 20:47:59 UTC
Well, finally we agree at something!

+1

Please read these!

New POS system New SOV system
Ingvar Angst
Nasty Pope Holding Corp
#166 - 2011-12-20 20:51:40 UTC
Alx Warlord wrote:
Well, finally we agree at something!

+1


Lol

Keep in mind, this idea is intended to neuter the afk cloak complaints without breaking cloaks or nerfing wormholes.

Six months in the hole... it changes a man.
Cearain
Plus 10 NV
#167 - 2011-12-20 20:55:38 UTC
Ingvar Angst wrote:
Alx Warlord wrote:
Well, finally we agree at something!

+1


Lol

Keep in mind, this idea is intended to neuter the afk cloak complaints without breaking cloaks or nerfing wormholes.



And in the process it would kill solo and small gang pvp.

Make faction war occupancy pvp instead of pve https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=53815&#post53815
Mag's
Azn Empire
#168 - 2011-12-20 21:00:11 UTC  |  Edited by: Mag's
Cearain wrote:
Ingvar Angst wrote:
Alx Warlord wrote:
Well, finally we agree at something!

+1


Lol

Keep in mind, this idea is intended to neuter the afk cloak complaints without breaking cloaks or nerfing wormholes.



And in the process it would kill solo and small gang pvp.
No it won't, unlike your wish to nerf gang links.

Destination SkillQueue:- It's like assuming the Lions will ignore you in the Savannah, if you're small, fat and look helpless.
Lord Zim
Gallente Federation
#169 - 2011-12-20 21:05:21 UTC
What it will do, is drive even more of the carebears that are still left in nullsec into hisec, and thus making the problem this "fix" is actually suggested to fix, the problem of actually getting a gank, even harder.

It's a dumb and gamebreaking idea, and it would be best left in the annals of time.

Cyno's lit, bridge is up, but one pilot won't be jumping home.

RIP Vile Rat
Mag's
Azn Empire
#170 - 2011-12-20 21:06:42 UTC
Lord Zim wrote:
What it will do, is drive even more of the carebears that are still left in nullsec into hisec, and thus making the problem this "fix" is actually suggested to fix, the problem of actually getting a gank, even harder.

It's a dumb and gamebreaking idea, and it would be best left in the annals of time.
Nope.

Destination SkillQueue:- It's like assuming the Lions will ignore you in the Savannah, if you're small, fat and look helpless.
Cearain
Plus 10 NV
#171 - 2011-12-20 21:14:32 UTC
Mag's wrote:
Cearain wrote:
Ingvar Angst wrote:
Alx Warlord wrote:
Well, finally we agree at something!

+1


Lol

Keep in mind, this idea is intended to neuter the afk cloak complaints without breaking cloaks or nerfing wormholes.



And in the process it would kill solo and small gang pvp.
No it won't, unlike your wish to nerf gang links.



You like that everyone now needs to drag along an alt with gang links? Figures. P

This particular proposal will make small scale eve pvp a complete crap shoot. Is that ship you are about to attack surrounded by 30 cloaked stealthbombers or even battleships? There would be no way to tell.

Make faction war occupancy pvp instead of pve https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=53815&#post53815
Alx Warlord
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#172 - 2011-12-20 21:22:09 UTC  |  Edited by: Alx Warlord
Cearain wrote:
Mag's wrote:
Cearain wrote:
Ingvar Angst wrote:
Alx Warlord wrote:
Well, finally we agree at something!

+1


Lol

Keep in mind, this idea is intended to neuter the afk cloak complaints without breaking cloaks or nerfing wormholes.



And in the process it would kill solo and small gang pvp.
No it won't, unlike your wish to nerf gang links.



You like that everyone now needs to drag along an alt with gang links? Figures. P

This particular proposal will make small scale eve pvp a complete crap shoot. Is that ship you are about to attack surrounded by 30 cloaked stealthbombers or even battleships? There would be no way to tell.


And now there is? They could jump from a gate, WH or even LOG if the ship is a trap...

Local is just a fake way to make you fell safe... like directional scan on a WH...

Please read these!

New POS system New SOV system
Mag's
Azn Empire
#173 - 2011-12-20 21:31:22 UTC  |  Edited by: Mag's
Cearain wrote:
You like that everyone now needs to drag along an alt with gang links? Figures. P
No I like that everyone has the same choice right now. If they make an effort they reduce the risk, but I believe it's balanced. You just have a bee in your bonnet, about alts and second accounts.

Cearain wrote:
This particular proposal will make small scale eve pvp a complete crap shoot. Is that ship you are about to attack surrounded by 30 cloaked stealthbombers or even battleships? There would be no way to tell.
I don't agree. Local already hinders solo and small scale to a large degree. Because as soon as you're seen, blobs are not far away.

Destination SkillQueue:- It's like assuming the Lions will ignore you in the Savannah, if you're small, fat and look helpless.
Alx Warlord
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#174 - 2011-12-20 21:42:24 UTC  |  Edited by: Alx Warlord
Ok, The solution:

The answer to the ultimate question of Life, the Universe, and Cloaking.
+
the Cloak detection probe
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Don't allow the probe to work on WH-Space since there was no local there... (Make any excuse for it... Sleeper interference...)

I think this is fair for HI-SEC, NULL-SEC, LOW-SEC and also WH-Space... The bigger benefit from not being able to use local should be countered with the possibilities of being probed... Since probing is too circumstantial I don't see much problem on it...

Please read these!

New POS system New SOV system
Lord Zim
Gallente Federation
#175 - 2011-12-20 22:15:20 UTC
If you must go along with the route of removing from local + making it possible to probe, then giving them the possibility to run silent by shutting off all modules would be more logical than making some sort of WH exception. If you must, RP it up by talking about electronic emissions or something, while cloaks "bends light".

Cyno's lit, bridge is up, but one pilot won't be jumping home.

RIP Vile Rat
Cearain
Plus 10 NV
#176 - 2011-12-20 23:15:37 UTC
Mag's wrote:
Cearain wrote:
You like that everyone now needs to drag along an alt with gang links? Figures. P
No I like that everyone has the same choice right now. If they make an effort they reduce the risk, but I believe it's balanced. You just have a bee in your bonnet, about alts and second accounts..


I don't really think there is a choice anymore. The bonuses are too large to competitively play the game without dragging an alt around with you. Yeah I think that sucks.



Cearain wrote:
This particular proposal will make small scale eve pvp a complete crap shoot. Is that ship you are about to attack surrounded by 30 cloaked stealthbombers or even battleships? There would be no way to tell.
I don't agree. Local already hinders solo and small scale to a large degree. Because as soon as you're seen, blobs are not far away.[/quote]

What do you disagree with in my quote? Do you not agree you will be unable to tell if any given ship is surrounded by 40 cloaked ships? That is what the proposal does.

As soon as who is seen the blob appears? Blobs don't chase after every ship they see. Most of the ships I fight are fit for pvp so they are just as likely to stick around when I come as run. Local tells me if there is a blob with them.

Make faction war occupancy pvp instead of pve https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=53815&#post53815
Cearain
Plus 10 NV
#177 - 2011-12-20 23:23:17 UTC
Alx Warlord wrote:
Cearain wrote:


This particular proposal will make small scale eve pvp a complete crap shoot. Is that ship you are about to attack surrounded by 30 cloaked stealthbombers or even battleships? There would be no way to tell.


And now there is? They could jump from a gate, WH or even LOG if the ship is a trap...

Local is just a fake way to make you fell safe... like directional scan on a WH...



Yes now there is. You can see them in the local. When you see several in the same corp or alliance or several that you know hang out together you can use that information to avoid traps. This proposal takes that intel away so pvp becomes less about information and more about dumb luck.

Having someone jump through a gate and then start warping to you is very different from having them already on grid ready to simply uncloak and open fire. Local gives solo players some chance to try to gtfo before the blob lands. This proposal will eliminate any chance of that.

Make faction war occupancy pvp instead of pve https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=53815&#post53815
Mag's
Azn Empire
#178 - 2011-12-20 23:56:54 UTC
Cearain wrote:
I don't really think there is a choice anymore. The bonuses are too large to competitively play the game without dragging an alt around with you. Yeah I think that sucks.
There is a choice and it's an MMO after all..

Cearain wrote:
What do you disagree with in my quote? Do you not agree you will be unable to tell if any given ship is surrounded by 40 cloaked ships? That is what the proposal does.

As soon as who is seen the blob appears? Blobs don't chase after every ship they see. Most of the ships I fight are fit for pvp so they are just as likely to stick around when I come as run. Local tells me if there is a blob with them.
I agree you are basically doing the normal trick of exaggerating a circumstance to suit your argument. Much like Lord Zim does, he tells me that people are inherently lazy and won't be bothered.

So in the same vein I'll say:
Sure they have 40 cloaked ships, but then I have 80 cloaked ones and a fleet of Black Ops ready to cyno in as well as 40 supers, 40 Titans and a battle badger etc. etc. Who would know cause intel wouldn't be instant anymore, people would have to work and patient to gain it. But they are lazy, can't be arsed, so we are all screwed, Eve would lose subs and die and the iPad would have a purpose in life.

Amidoinitrite?

(Yea I know the iPad idea was really extreme and was asking way too much, but I was on a roll. Lol )

Destination SkillQueue:- It's like assuming the Lions will ignore you in the Savannah, if you're small, fat and look helpless.
Alx Warlord
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#179 - 2011-12-20 23:58:57 UTC
Cearain wrote:
Alx Warlord wrote:
Cearain wrote:


This particular proposal will make small scale eve pvp a complete crap shoot. Is that ship you are about to attack surrounded by 30 cloaked stealthbombers or even battleships? There would be no way to tell.


And now there is? They could jump from a gate, WH or even LOG if the ship is a trap...

Local is just a fake way to make you fell safe... like directional scan on a WH...



Yes now there is. You can see them in the local. When you see several in the same corp or alliance or several that you know hang out together you can use that information to avoid traps. This proposal takes that intel away so pvp becomes less about information and more about dumb luck.

Having someone jump through a gate and then start warping to you is very different from having them already on grid ready to simply uncloak and open fire. Local gives solo players some chance to try to gtfo before the blob lands. This proposal will eliminate any chance of that.


In fact, if it is a trap... the bait will be warp scrambling you... as always...and the attacker fleet will obviously take less time to get to you then you to kill the tackler... Solo PVP always lose against ambushes... get a corp and get a fleet... or have a 1-10 score...

Please read these!

New POS system New SOV system
Lord Zim
Gallente Federation
#180 - 2011-12-21 00:03:01 UTC
Mag's wrote:
I agree you are basically doing the normal trick of exaggerating a circumstance to suit your argument. Much like Lord Zim does, he tells me that people are inherently lazy and won't be bothered.

Oh, so you're saying that I'm wrong and that nullsec will suddenly flourish with carebears when it becomes more dangerous without becoming more profitable?

I find that hard to believe.

Cyno's lit, bridge is up, but one pilot won't be jumping home.

RIP Vile Rat