Player Features and Ideas Discussion

So, currently cloaky ships are completely undetectable in system other than seeing them in local or the off chance you can get within 2000 km of one that's sitting in the middle of nowhere. This is the complaint.

And your 'solution' to this is to make them completely invisible. And you really think taking away their ability to see local as well (though presumably their d-scan still works) while cloaked and adding a cooldown timer to lighting a cyno is a fair balance for that?

You've not only not addressed the problem of people cloaking up and leaving their keyboards for extended periods of time (AFK = Away From Keyboard, just for clarification), but you've now compounded the problem by making said person completely undetectable. So he can log in after down time, cloak up, go to work, come home, and see pop up d-scan to see what schmucks have signed on to be ganked. Meanwhile half his corp just jumped into the empty system next door (we know it's empty because the invisible cloaky in there as well) and is just waiting for him to warp to the hapless victim(s) and decloak to provide a warp in point for the fast frigs about to jump in and tackle him.

Nope, can't see any way this could be abused.

Unfortunately null sec doesn't have the same barriers for entry that wormhole space does (wormholes, as opposed to gates, being mostly unpredictable, can't light cynos in them).

Allowing the opportunity for a defenseless ship to scan down an unmoving cloaked ship is hardly a game breaker. Allowing a cloaked ship to go completely undetected is incredibly unbalancing in ways you obviously haven't yet imagined. Go ahead and propose it to the CSM. They'll tear it to pieces before laughing it off the table.

Yes, half his corp is active, and attempting to gank you. They are patient, organized and motivated to kill you and cripple your attempt to make large profit with little risk in nullsec (so called end-game of EVE). And some people are actually proposing that this shouldn't be possible? Bizarre.
Of course, you too could be organized and motivated and patient and set them a trap, and gank them instead (they are tresspassing your turf after all), but that's not the reason you're in null, isn't it?

Yes, that's it. It's their patience and organization I'm afraid of.

Not sure exactly what you're contributing here. Doesn't take much patience and organization to cyno in a blob next door and set up what amounts to an invisible instant warp-in point that knows when a target is present. Sounds to me like you're just upset that it's not easier for you to find defenseless targets in null so you're wishing you could be invisible too. Bizarre.

So then the solution would be to do away with local and also allow detection of cov-ops (as I outlined earlier). A completely undetectable ship sounds really cool and all (and believe me, I could use that too so you can stop making assumptions about how I play) but it breaks things as already outlined.

If used responsibly as everyone here seems to think it would be, it'd be fine. However, that kind of power would be abused often. You may not like miners, missioners, and plexers, but ships aren't built on the backs of PVPers. Show me in detail how ships could be replenished en masse by PVPers (as they would need to be once the flow of high end minerals dried up) and I'll agree this solution could work. As it stands, this solution is more about creating gank opportunities than it is about 'gathering intel'. You claim you only want to encourage good fights but you whine about being seen in local and not being able to spy out enemy ships so you can let your friends know exactly what to bring to the fight.

Local isn't broken. It works as it should. You come through a gate in MY system, why the hell wouldn't it mark your passage? You can roam around invisible all you want but until you exit that system through another gate, that system knows you're there if not where. Just be happy that intel works both ways. As you guys would have it, we should shut off the security cameras, allow you to run around invisible, and peek over our shoulders whenever you please. Lemme think on that... no?

LOL. I'm not blaming local for silly wars, I'm just making a point how dull current nullsec is. Blobs are the name of the game in nullsec anyway, and local surely isn't the only mechanic to blame for that.

You say that removing cloaked ships from local will buff blobbing. I say that it will not, but I admit I can't be sure about that, and neither can you. Unfortunately, there's only one way to find out.

What I'm pretty certain is that it would make nullsec a little more dangerous to live in, as it should be.

Would there be room for installable infastructure that can ping local to the 'current' version only to the owners of that infastructure? (so if you go roamiong to enemy turf that has one you wont see thier cloakers either.)

Would you agree that knowing how many people are in local and if they are in the same corp or alliance is very important intel so small gangs and solo pvpers can avoid blobs?

Local is not overpowered. It gives you the names and numbers of people in local and what corp/alliance they are with. This is very important intel that solo and small gangs need to avoid blobs without having to forgo pvp altogether.

Seems like your trying to turn toward semantics in order to avoid the problems with your proposal.



You recomend removing anyone who wants to fit a cloak to their ship from local. I agree that its not quite as bad as completely removing local. However its not that different (fitting a cloak is not such a big deal) and suffers from all the same problems that removing local suffers.

would the remove from local while cloaked also apply in low and high sec? Would probbaly improve the PVP mechanics and sheer amount of fun in those areas since atm especailly in high sec war dec situations, local means i can see the enemy long before they are effective and vice versa if im hunting them.

That's the idea, yes.