Player Features and Ideas Discussion

Only a covops cloak can instantly begin trying to lock someone when uncloaking. When a non-covops equipped vessel uncloaks, there's a 30 second cooldown before you're even allowed to try and lock someone. So your battleship, for example, has to wait 30 seconds before it tries to lock a frigate, then the timer begins on the locking attempt.

Yes, I think you're right on the recalibration mix up, my bad there.

I still disagree on this negatively affecting small and solo PvP though. I think, again opinion, that it's likely to improve it. You'll have more people checking out null sec if they have the ability to hide a little better (more covops that is), and as such you may have more people choosing to move in there. Hey, if they can sneak through in some cloaky haulers and avoid many ganks, some just might give it a go. I don't think you'll see the blobs you fear... it would be a lot more work to set up than it's worth... people would have to refit ships to have cloaks that wouldn't use them normally, for some fits this would break what they want to do and would be avoided. (Mainly, I don't think everyone would slap cloaks on everything, so to speak.) I'd expect to see smaller scale ganks and baits. You could, for example, have a couple miners out doing their thing and, like you mention, someone covops uncloaks right on them, locks them down and (if black ops, for example) immediately fire up a cyno. Of course, if the miners bodyguard of a cloaked proteus or tengu or two then uncloaks and pops the first ship... hey, working nicely as intended. (This could actually serve as a blob deterrent, as things may begin to favor quicker kills and not waiting for the blob to arrive.)

So... we definitely disagree on the potential effects on PvP this would have. That's a given. I'd be curious to see how it would play out if given the chance. I think it would return a little more danger to null, which sorely seems to need it, it would make cloaks more cloakie (with pros and cons), it would make intel a more active endeavor while cloaked and it would get rid of the AFK CLOAK whine threads, which are one of the great banes of Eve.

By the way, I appreciate the opposing view. It's better to get as many possible pros and cons out there while in the thought stage as possible so in the event something like this ever were to see the light of day it would already have a significant level of refinement. I'd just be curious to hear some devs perspective on this... (hint)

Unless there ar no more complaints or balances to be suggested I think its time to get this over to the CSM.

Yes and what about the timing on gates would you agree you didn't knwo the mchaics there? And what about just warping off after you have been tackled would you agree that might be a bit more tricky than you suggested at first.

I really didn't think the fact that you misunderstood how eve pvp mechanics work would have any effect on your conclusions that your proposal is wonderful.


Yes there will be more small scale ganks. That is there will be more solo and small scale pvpers ganked by blobs. That will lead to fewer solo and small scale pvpers.

You claim that it would be too much trouble to fit a cloak to your ship and sit in a blob. Its not more difficult to fit a cloak than than any other module just right click and select fit to active ship or drag and drop it on. By not letting other people know there is a blob in local more people will feed the blobs.

You don't think this will negatively effect small scale pvp because you do not do or understand how small scale pvp is done. But if you want eve pvp to become stupidly blobby this is a step in the right direction.


This proposal has the same problems that have been raised over and over every time a nerf/remove local proposal is raised.

i love it.

This is so obvious that it will sound stupid (but id rather state the obvious than deal with a bugged implementation for years):
When you are cloaked, the local list will be empty regardless. You won't see other cloaked people in local.
That is, implementation-wise, it is not like having two local lists, one for cloaked players, one for non-cloaked.

I fully sopport the OP.

What about cyno acnors at the POS? Should they be instant or spooled up as well?

Well theres talk about causing all cynos to be spun up instead of just covert ships.

There no cloaking but there was a stealthing field.

like the idea in fact should of been how it was off the bat and i agree bomber's = 42 sec delay in cyno tatic drop BM by guy's in anom ideal one's that are moving slow or not moving warp out to some where time it start warp back decloke in warp ..

ding ding ding local bell goes off who is this bomber come's on grid not out of warp im going to gtfo guy B caught in franic bomber lands locks points while lighting covert cyno or banish bomber from covert cyno leave it to the scanny frig's and recon's....

covert recon suffer the same sensor recal time of 5 sec hummm decloke on grid lock point cyno u never new was comming um.......

i think well planned 42 sec or may be ok 30 would be ok but if thus is allowed i would say there not able to fit covert op's cloking device and regular cyno at same time or just not able to fit regular cyno thus no hot dropping super cap fleet on a solo ship that would have no chance of alline or killing do to prolonged lock.

but would make recon's and stealth t-3's and such a real point as now ya you can hot drop some one but it's there owne stupid falt for not safing up with red in system lol...

im with it but 30 sec delay from decloke to covert cyno being lit and if there must be regular cyno capible then fine 1 min delay on it lighting from decloke

and on that note

ill give this a

+1 for would bring a good thing to eve

You have bumped this thread and spammed links to it in several other threads. It has over 1381 views. Only 44 people like the op. I don't know I would consider that a wonderful success.

Nevertheless, there *are* people who will like this proposal. People who like to fly in blobs and gank people and people who like to gank pvers and industrial ships. There *are* allot of people who fit in these categories in eve. I don’t think eve needs to boost blobbing, but allot of eve players like to blob so they will likely support your idea.

Everyone is entitled to their opinion. But what I have described is very clear that this will just give a boost to blobs. Your failure to understand that is simply due to your severe lack of understanding of the mechanics in pvp.

Moreover you seem to have allot of support from people who, like yourself don't pvp at all and just think it "sounds cool." Just look at the killboards of many of the people saying they like the idea.


The title of the thread itself is really something most pvpers don't care about. AFK cloaking isn't of interest to them.

Moreover, many pvpers have addressed the issue of nerfing local in other threads. The main problem is blobs will then cloak up and kill off small scale and solo pvp. Surely you remember those threads from the old boards. You were spamming this idea in them too. The same problems that many people posted in those threads apply here. I’m not surprised they are not posting the same problems again and again.





Woah what do you mean I warp to a gate??? Bait ships have warp scramblers or disruptors. These are modules you can fit in a midslot that will keep a ship from warping away. I’m really not sure how little you understand about pvp in this game. But typically if you want to attack someone in pvp you will fit one of these modules. If you are in range to apply it to the person you are attacking they are in range to apply it to you. Bait ships will have them and a web or two plus allot of tank. They won’t have much gank because they will just have the blob kill you.

As far as modifying your fit to fit a cloak….I suppose you don’t realize fitting a cloak is not that hard for a ship that is going to sit in a blob anyway. High slots can even sometimes be left open to allow you to overheat your guns a bit longer. Fitting a cloak is not a big deal for a blob ship.