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AFK cloaky ccp sort it out yes/ no

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LHA Tarawa
Pator Tech School
Minmatar Republic
#21 - 2013-05-10 17:37:29 UTC
Wacktopia wrote:
Honestly there are so many thread about this and they always end the same way. It's virtually spam now.



Yeah, it is SPAM... We industrialists should launch a coordinated campaign of SPAM until CCP wakes up and gives us SOME mechanism to counter the cloaky camper.
LifeHatesMe
LifeHatesUsAll
#22 - 2013-05-10 17:37:43 UTC
LHA Tarawa wrote:
BadAssMcKill wrote:
How many threads do we need about this



One an hour, every hour, every day, until CCP fixes the lamest game mechanic in the history of MMOs.

It is rock, paper, scissors, NUKE BOMB.

100 people sit in station or safed up at a POS, all lamenting that there is not a SINGLE F'N thing that can be done about ONE freakin' cloaky camper with a cyno, able to drop an infinite number of ships, with no warning....

A good game should provide a defense for every offense and an offense to every defense. There is no defense to the cloaky camper.




+1
LifeHatesMe
LifeHatesUsAll
#23 - 2013-05-10 17:38:26 UTC
LHA Tarawa wrote:
BadAssMcKill wrote:
How many threads do we need about this



One an hour, every hour, every day, until CCP fixes the lamest game mechanic in the history of MMOs.

It is rock, paper, scissors, NUKE BOMB.

100 people sit in station or safed up at a POS, all lamenting that there is not a SINGLE F'N thing that can be done about ONE freakin' cloaky camper with a cyno, able to drop an infinite number of ships, with no warning....

A good game should provide a defense for every offense and an offense to every defense. There is no defense to the cloaky camper.



awesome +1
LHA Tarawa
Pator Tech School
Minmatar Republic
#24 - 2013-05-10 17:38:34 UTC
Na Und wrote:
Is there any way to cloak these threads, AFK or otherwise?




Yes. Convince CCP to create a mechanism to allow miners to defend themselves against the cyno fit cloaky camper. Magically, these threads will go away.
Kyt Thrace
Lightspeed Enterprises
Goonswarm Federation
#25 - 2013-05-10 17:39:18 UTC
ib4 another thread is locked due to another Eve is dying thread

R.I.P. Vile Rat
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#26 - 2013-05-10 17:41:15 UTC
LHA Tarawa wrote:
One an hour, every hour, every day, until CCP fixes the lamest game mechanic in the history of MMOs.

It is rock, paper, scissors, NUKE BOMB.

100 people sit in station or safed up at a POS, all lamenting that there is not a SINGLE F'N thing that can be done about ONE freakin' cloaky camper with a cyno
…aside from killing him. Oh, and that's not an AFK cloaker, so it doesn't explain why we need more thread about those.
Alara IonStorm
#27 - 2013-05-10 17:41:48 UTC  |  Edited by: Alara IonStorm
Na Und wrote:
Is there any way to cloak these threads, AFK or otherwise?

You can not click on them but they will always appear in the list of threads on your screen leaving the only option to jump to another forum section and hope there isn't one there.

Don't worry it could be worse. Imagine if they could randomly open on your screen at their OP's pleasure without any warning. Maybe bring through 30 other threads on other tabs.

It would make the forums more hardcore, keep the care bears out.
Jenn aSide
Worthless Carebears
The Initiative.
#28 - 2013-05-10 17:42:33 UTC  |  Edited by: Jenn aSide
LHA Tarawa wrote:
BadAssMcKill wrote:
How many threads do we need about this



One an hour, every hour, every day, until CCP fixes the lamest game mechanic in the history of MMOs.

It is rock, paper, scissors, NUKE BOMB.

100 people sit in station or safed up at a POS, all lamenting that there is not a SINGLE F'N thing that can be done about ONE freakin' cloaky camper with a cyno, able to drop an infinite number of ships, with no warning....

A good game should provide a defense for every offense and an offense to every defense. There is no defense to the cloaky camper.


There are several defenses Here are 2 easy ones.

Defense fleet standing at the ready. If your alliance doesnt' have enough people use some of that moon goo isk (every alliance that goes to null is given a free tech moon, don't you know..) and hire mercs to defned you.

OR (and this is the real one lol):

Fit Cloaks and MWDs or ABs to yous ships and...gasp...go somewhere else. this is called the DIFFUSION DEFENSE.

They can use a cloaky to deny you upgraded systems, they can't blanket thousands upon thousans of null sec systems. So if you rat or mine, just set up shop in a non-upgrade system and use it till its resources deplete the move to another (you know the way people lived BEFORE upgraded systems). Plant POSs in some of those systems for safety.

I run anoms in a macharial. When a cloaky camps I leave (their are plenty of natural anoms, and do those anoms and have a safe spot in system that i can go to and cloak if I get followed). My isk making continues and they use up an EVe account sitting in an empty system doing nothing lol.

Just because you don't WANT to use the tools the game gives you to mitigate the risk of a cloaky hotdropper doesn't mean the game needs changing, it means you need to become more adaptable. I live everyday in null sec under the current mechanics.
LHA Tarawa
Pator Tech School
Minmatar Republic
#29 - 2013-05-10 17:43:55 UTC
Tippia wrote:
LHA Tarawa wrote:
One an hour, every hour, every day, until CCP fixes the lamest game mechanic in the history of MMOs.

It is rock, paper, scissors, NUKE BOMB.

100 people sit in station or safed up at a POS, all lamenting that there is not a SINGLE F'N thing that can be done about ONE freakin' cloaky camper with a cyno
…aside from killing him. Oh, and that's not an AFK cloaker, so it doesn't explain why we need more thread about those.




Love to kill a claoky camper.


How do I find him?

Did you see me say AFK anywhere? The issue is that you can't do anything to find the claoky campler, afk or not!
Riot Girl
You'll Cowards Don't Even Smoke Crack
#30 - 2013-05-10 17:45:02 UTC
Would you like some CONCORD in nullsec too, OP?

Oh god.
Ager Agemo
Rainbow Ponies Incorporated
#31 - 2013-05-10 17:45:14 UTC
LHA Tarawa wrote:
BadAssMcKill wrote:
How many threads do we need about this



One an hour, every hour, every day, until CCP fixes the lamest game mechanic in the history of MMOs.

It is rock, paper, scissors, NUKE BOMB.

100 people sit in station or safed up at a POS, all lamenting that there is not a SINGLE F'N thing that can be done about ONE freakin' cloaky camper with a cyno, able to drop an infinite number of ships, with no warning....

A good game should provide a defense for every offense and an offense to every defense. There is no defense to the cloaky camper.



but but... he is afk! how is he going to turn on the cyno!?
Jenn aSide
Worthless Carebears
The Initiative.
#32 - 2013-05-10 17:45:20 UTC
LHA Tarawa wrote:
Wacktopia wrote:
Honestly there are so many thread about this and they always end the same way. It's virtually spam now.



Yeah, it is SPAM... We industrialists should launch a coordinated campaign of SPAM until CCP wakes up and gives us SOME mechanism to counter the cloaky camper.


They've given you all the tools you need, you just don't want to use them.
Riot Girl
You'll Cowards Don't Even Smoke Crack
#33 - 2013-05-10 17:48:08 UTC
LHA Tarawa wrote:
There is no defense to the cloaky camper.

Camp the gate, move to another system or just fit a bait carrier with a cyno.

Oh god.
LHA Tarawa
Pator Tech School
Minmatar Republic
#34 - 2013-05-10 17:48:23 UTC  |  Edited by: LHA Tarawa
Jenn aSide wrote:

Defense fleet standing at the ready. If your alliance doesnt' have enough people use some of that moon goo isk (every alliance that goes to null is given a free tech moon, don't you know..) and hire mercs to defned you.


I'm not in an alliance, because every time I've moved to null, a cloaky camper shows up and shuts everything down.

Why? Because 1000 PvPers have nothing better to do but sit around waiting for a hot drop, that will only happen, IF the enemy has even more.


Jenn aSide wrote:


OR (and this is the real one lol):

Fit Cloaks and MWDs or ABs to yous ships and...gasp...go somewhere else. this is called the DIFFUSION DEFENSE.


Sure. It's so easy to throw up an ihub, upgrade, build an outpost with a refinery, POS for the booster....

All to have yet another cloaky camper show up and shut down that system too.


You clearly have no freakin' clue what you are talking about.
LHA Tarawa
Pator Tech School
Minmatar Republic
#35 - 2013-05-10 17:51:59 UTC
What is the argument against CONCORD, high sec stations, NPC corps? Right... you get all this protection without even working for it.


Well, the same argument can be made against the current cloaky camper mechanic. You don't have to do anything for the safety of the cloak. You warp somewhere at range, align toward nothing... and you are 100% immune to EVERYTHING. There is nothing anyone can do to find you, de-cloak you, kill you.

1000 people doing everything in their power to try to find you, and you are 100% totally immune and safe.

Heck, at least in high sec you are still at risk of the suicide gank. Cloaky camping in null? NOTHING can be done to you.
Sofia Wolf
Ubuntu Inc.
The Fourth District
#36 - 2013-05-10 17:52:05 UTC  |  Edited by: Sofia Wolf
LHA Tarawa wrote:
BadAssMcKill wrote:
How many threads do we need about this



One an hour, every hour, every day, until CCP fixes the lamest game mechanic in the history of MMOs.

It is rock, paper, scissors, NUKE BOMB.

100 people sit in station or safed up at a POS, all lamenting that there is not a SINGLE F'N thing that can be done about ONE freakin' cloaky camper with a cyno, able to drop an infinite number of ships, with no warning....

A good game should provide a defense for every offense and an offense to every defense. There is no defense to the cloaky camper.


That is power projection problem, not a cloaky camper problem. Even if you removed cloaks completely they could still be doing it with ships with low enough sig and high enough ECCM as long as they can fit cyno on it.

Jessica Danikov > EVE is your real life. the rest is fantasy. caught in a corporation. no escape from banality. open up yours eyes, peer through pod good and seeeeeee. I'm just a poor pilot, I need no sympathy. because I'm easy scam, easy go, little isk, little know. anyway the solar wind blows...
Mister Tuggles
Dickhead Corner
#37 - 2013-05-10 17:53:24 UTC  |  Edited by: Mister Tuggles
LifeHatesMe wrote:
With the new patch just round the corner and mining/indy being a big part of it should ccp do something to cloaky ships to stop afk cloakys destroying the game?


defo something should be done.


yes +1




Working as intended.


What they should really do is remove your advanced warning systems i.e. local chat. That solves your problem of AFK cloakers... that you know are in your system....

Then what the **** would you guys do? Sit around cowering in your pos bubble is what.

Null bears are the best bears.
Xavier Liche
ACME Mineral and Gas
#38 - 2013-05-10 17:53:29 UTC
LifeHatesMe wrote:
With the new patch just round the corner and mining/indy being a big part of it should ccp do something to cloaky ships to stop afk cloakys destroying the game?


defo something should be done.


yes +1



Show me on the doll where the bad cloakie touched you...
LHA Tarawa
Pator Tech School
Minmatar Republic
#39 - 2013-05-10 17:54:23 UTC
Sofia Wolf wrote:

That is power projection problem, not a cloaky camper problem. Even if you removed cloaks completely they could still be doing it with ships with low enough sig and high enough ECCM as long as they can fit cyno on it.


No ship should be unprobable, and no ship would be able to ECCM 1000 people trying to get it.

Sure, it could just warp fro new safe to new safe... but at least that would be work.
Jenn aSide
Worthless Carebears
The Initiative.
#40 - 2013-05-10 17:55:09 UTC
LHA Tarawa wrote:
Jenn aSide wrote:

Defense fleet standing at the ready. If your alliance doesnt' have enough people use some of that moon goo isk (every alliance that goes to null is given a free tech moon, don't you know..) and hire mercs to defned you.


I'm not in an alliance, because every time I've moved to null, a cloaky camper shows up and shuts everything down.

Why? Because 1000 PvPers have nothing better to do but sit around waiting for a hot drop, that will only happen, IF the enemy has even more.


Jenn aSide wrote:


OR (and this is the real one lol):

Fit Cloaks and MWDs or ABs to yous ships and...gasp...go somewhere else. this is called the DIFFUSION DEFENSE.


Sure. It's so easy to throw up an ihub, upgrade, an outpost with a refinery, POS for the booster....

All to have yet another cloaky camper show up and shut down that system too.


You clearly have no freakin' clue what you are talking about.


LOL What part of "upgraded system" did you not udnerstand.
and when the cloaky comes, in move again. They will tire before you do.

for your ore, thats why there are ships with things called JUMP DRIVES. etc etc

This prove my point, you simply don't want to use the tools the game gives you, you want a short cut (ie a way to go after the cloaky). You don't deserve and the game doesn't need a short cut, it' needs creative players who figure stuff out.

Thats what i do. i fit MWD+ cloak and stuff some projective ammo in my Dominix (i call the "moving Van") and just go live in a backwater system till the cloaky gets tired. If he follows, i keep moving. Never have i lost a ship this way, i've gotten a few kills when i've taken a sabre alt and bubbled the gate and decloked the cloaky.

As is usualyl the case, the problem isn't the game mechanic, it's EVe player laziness.