Player Features and Ideas Discussion

Hey guys,
Ok straight to business. First of all the problems of the Caldari is the fact that they share a weapon system, hybrids with the Gallente, guns should be completely removed from the Caldari and leave hybrids to the Gallente and let Caldari focus on their specialty which is missiles. This would also mean removing all missile focused ships from the other races except Khanid Innovation ships as they were in asylum with the Caldari for a period in Lore. This would mean restoring the Cyclone to a Autocannon boat, Typhoon is changed to a Autocannon boat like a Mini Panther, Talwar changes to an Artillery boat etc…
Caldari changing to Missiles being their only weapon system the following ships would be:
Merlin – Rocket Brawler
Harpy – Rocket Brawler
Cormorant – Light Missile Kitter
Moa – Heavy Assault Missile Brawler
Eagle - Heavy Assault Missile Brawler
Ferox – Heavy Missile Kitter
Vulture – Heavy Assault Missile Brawler
Rokh – Torpedo Brawler
The second issue is the fact that missiles take too long to reach their target in terms of sniping, so to fix this the flight time needs to be drastically dropped and the flight velocity drastically increased.
Reduce flight time by 75% and increase flight velocity by 75% to keep the same current ranges, but makes the missiles travel faster. Note these are with all skills 0

Rockets – 0.5(-1.5)s flight time / 9000(+6750)msec = 4,500 meters range
Heavy Assault Missiles – 1(-3)s flight time / 9,000(+6750)msec = 9,000 meters range
Torpedos – 1.5(-4.5)s flight time / 9,000(+7500)msec = 13,500 meters range [increased the velocity a bit more because of the issue with Torpedos not flying further than Heavy Assault Missiles.]

Light Missiles – 1.25(-3.75)s flight time / 15,000(+11250)msec = 1,8750 meters range
Heavy Missiles – 1.625(-4.875)s flight time / 17,200(+12900)msec = 27,950 meters range
Cruise Missiles – 5(-15)s flight time / 15000(+11250)msec = 75,000 meters range

Now to address the issue of no counters to missiles other that Dampener and ECM which doesn't really work because of FoF Missiles.
Defender Gatling Gun – Works like a Defender Missile, but it is its own Weapon, it does not have a Hardpoint requirement, you can fit on any ship like you can with Neutralizers and Salvagers. Destroys one missile in flight per cycle, can only fit one per ship and there are Small, Medium and Large Class, meaning you need a Large for Cruise or Torps for example. Bigger systems can’t hit smaller class missiles.

This I feel would set Caldari more apart from everything else and fix their problems.

So, remove a whole bunch of diversity from every race in order to nerf the **** out of the caldari?

No thanks.

Yeah, this. I like some of my Caldari gunships, thanks. There are some changes that could be made to railguns, sure, but that isn't for this thread.

Hybrids are shared between Gallente and Caldari
Drones are shared between Gallente and Amarr
Missiles are shared between Caldari and Minmatar
Lasers and Projectiles just too different to compare and that makes Amarr an Minmatar share unique weapon systems (each their own).

So its pretty much balanced across the races.

Now about that 2nd part:
While pure math is ok you forgot one crucial factor for missiles - they take some time to accelerate and reach max speed. That is why real flight distance is a bit shorter than calculated one. if you drastically reduce flight time without adjusting acceleration/agility you'll lose alot in flight distance despite having same numbers on paper.

Please explain of what benefit does Caldari get from hybrids, the only ships that make good use of them is the Merlin and the Moa. Hybrids are absolute garbage for the Caldari, any Caldari Missile Boat will always and easily out perform a Caldari Gunboat in PvE and PvP, all in all f u c k the hybrids off and go full missiles.

Merlin's current little brawler blasterboat certainly inst a bad little ship.
Moa would be a nice warp to 50 and melt interceptors at range, if currently medium hybrids didn't need a little buff.
Blaster Ferox, actually isn't too bad, esp with the advent of the ASB, I've seen one of them wipe out a pair of canes in seconds (blaster, ab, scram from an allied cepter).
If you think rokhs suck, tell that to all the nullsec sniperfleets who have been throwing them out from time to time, and seem to be enjoying the microjump drive also.
And that's just theT1 boats.

And with what it looks like after Odyssey, the Raven will have nice longrange dps, but it'll still be lacking on the missile travel time (though if they're willing to splurge and put on missile speed rigs, they'll be getting the missiles 80km away in lest then 5 seconds) But they probably still won't be competing with Rokhs on ease of deploy-ability.

Now you say you wanna speed up the missiles even more. But eeehhhh the Rokh's just fine where it is. If there wants to be a T2 Rokh that is a missileboat I'll be fine with that later, but Rokh T1 should stay a railboat.

"Hey guys, the problem is that Caldari share a weapon sys-"NO!

The reason Hybrids suck of Caldari is the fact that you can throw lasers on a ferox or rokh and it will severely out perform a hybrid fit one....

Il admit the idea for changes to the missiles was stupid so it can stay the way they are, but seriously f u c k the hybrids off.

Are you drunk? Lasers have 3 times the cap use of hybrids and barely work on large amarr hulls that have bonuses to cap, you will cap out and die long before your enemies.

Laser rokh, laser ferox = epic fail....

I agree homogenization is a bad thing and must be resisted against by all players at all times.