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30 days dual character training - now on Singularity

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Domanique Altares
Rifterlings
#241 - 2013-05-10 21:52:47 UTC
ITT: ***** babies tell the forums why some people getting to pay CCP extra money to train two characters on the same account mortally wounds them, and offends their delicate sensibilities.
EI Digin
irc.zulusquad.org
#242 - 2013-05-10 21:59:33 UTC
This change owns.

It would be even better if you could somehow let us log into multiple characters on the same account at once, although it might be a little bit of a stretch.
Kethry Avenger
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#243 - 2013-05-10 22:01:39 UTC
CCP RubberBAND wrote:
Hey all,

RubberBAND here from the team implementing this feature. First apologies that you have not seen a Dev Blog about this. We had planned for one to go just prior to Fanfest, but that plan fell through. We hope to have a Dev Blog out sometime soon, but we don't have an ETA for you all yet.

To answer some of the questions in this thread, we are very interested in feedback regarding this feature and how useful you may find it. As most have figured out, this is a short term option for people who want to train an alt on their account without having to maintain two (or more) accounts.

If you are training two characters and the dual character in training runs out, the character with fewest skill points is assumed to be the alt and will be paused, while your character with more skill points will continue training.

Anyway expect more information soon, till then keep this thread rolling.


While this is a nice feature and I wish you all the best with it.

It would be a much better thing if this was built into some kind of loyalty reward for long standing accounts. Say that every account that has been paying for 5 years can train 2 characters at once and that every account that has been paying for 10 years can train 3 characters at once. Then you could even start adding account slots at 15 or 20 or something.
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morons.
#244 - 2013-05-10 22:03:21 UTC
Nice one CCP - I'd love to have LCO here have at least some skills, but transferring the character back and forth between yet another account or pausing the higher SP pilot I have on the account just wasn't worth it - considering the skills I want take me approximately 2 months to train, you just sold two Plex.

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Nyancat Audeles
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#245 - 2013-05-10 22:10:35 UTC
Danni stark wrote:
i'm not entirely sure i see the value (if any) in this feature?

can't tell if trolling or just ignorant
The VC's
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#246 - 2013-05-10 22:12:08 UTC
Nice move CCP. PvP main, two alts to tycoon 5 and maybe an Orca.
Destiny Corrupted
Deadly Viper Kitten Mitten Sewing Company
Senpai's Afterschool Anime and Gaming Club
#247 - 2013-05-10 22:16:06 UTC  |  Edited by: Destiny Corrupted
I've been running multiple accounts for years and I too don't really see much utility here. The net benefit of this change seems to be zero. Obviously it doesn't take anything away, but it doesn't really add anything either.

If it was cheaper, for example, then sure, lots of utility to be had. But it's not (and in a way it's more expensive if you compare to regular cash subs, since PLEXes are more expensive). For the same price, you don't even get the benefit of being able to use both characters at the same time.

You have to remember less logins, I guess? I don't know.

Edit: I guess you could have one account with a bunch of derpy cyno alts or something (though you essentially only save some training time with this feature).. That's kind of nice. But it's a very limited feature in terms of who it would benefit. Something's better than nothing I suppose.

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Domanique Altares
Rifterlings
#248 - 2013-05-10 22:17:34 UTC
Kethry Avenger wrote:


It would be a much better thing if this was built into some kind of loyalty reward for long standing accounts.


LOL, no.

I'm not going to be acquiring a third account anytime soon, if ever. But a PLEX or two to round out the low skill alts on this one? Absolutely. That's money that CCP would be throwing away by tying it to some kind of loyalty system. And rest assured, this is all about making more money.
Sentamon
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#249 - 2013-05-10 23:37:33 UTC
Love it!

I'll be baking ganker alts in my 45212 alt accounts.

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Sir Marksalot
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#250 - 2013-05-10 23:50:21 UTC
Destiny Corrupted wrote:
I've been running multiple accounts for years and I too don't really see much utility here. The net benefit of this change seems to be zero. Obviously it doesn't take anything away, but it doesn't really add anything either.

If it was cheaper, for example, then sure, lots of utility to be had. But it's not (and in a way it's more expensive if you compare to regular cash subs, since PLEXes are more expensive). For the same price, you don't even get the benefit of being able to use both characters at the same time.

You have to remember less logins, I guess? I don't know.

Edit: I guess you could have one account with a bunch of derpy cyno alts or something (though you essentially only save some training time with this feature).. That's kind of nice. But it's a very limited feature in terms of who it would benefit. Something's better than nothing I suppose.



Looks like we got ourselves a reader here.


fakeedit: Nevermind I was mistaken.
i-AA
Cream Pie Carpet Munchers
#251 - 2013-05-10 23:54:02 UTC
wow lots of super dumb people in this thread .. lol

if you cant see how this is good something is wrong with your brains
Terajima Kazumi
Perkone
Caldari State
#252 - 2013-05-11 00:08:53 UTC
Destiny Corrupted wrote:
I've been running multiple accounts for years and I too don't really see much utility here. The net benefit of this change seems to be zero. Obviously it doesn't take anything away, but it doesn't really add anything either.

If it was cheaper, for example, then sure, lots of utility to be had. But it's not (and in a way it's more expensive if you compare to regular cash subs, since PLEXes are more expensive). For the same price, you don't even get the benefit of being able to use both characters at the same time.

You have to remember less logins, I guess? I don't know.

Edit: I guess you could have one account with a bunch of derpy cyno alts or something (though you essentially only save some training time with this feature).. That's kind of nice. But it's a very limited feature in terms of who it would benefit. Something's better than nothing I suppose.

Once you're running more than a handful of accounts, shuffling ISK around and getting one character from each account to a trade hub to buy a PLEX every month gets really painful. This will help reduce the burden of keeping so many characters training.
Destiny Corrupted
Deadly Viper Kitten Mitten Sewing Company
Senpai's Afterschool Anime and Gaming Club
#253 - 2013-05-11 00:26:09 UTC
All I'm saying is that it's somewhat of a Catch-22 feature in the sense that it benefits you most if the extra characters are not being trained, since if they are being trained, separate accounts result in more utility, since you can use the characters at the same time.

This kind of screams "supercap cyno alt cash grab" to me, which is why I'm not excited about it. But I'm not against it either. But then again, this is going to make PLEXes go up in price, so maybe I should be.

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Maya Regyri
The Interstellar House of Gruel
#254 - 2013-05-11 00:39:36 UTC
Sentamon wrote:
Love it!

I'll be baking ganker alts in my 45212 alt accounts.

you'll need a ton of extra isk to pay for tags, because you know that the whole tags4sec thing is the end of -10, rite?Lol
OfBalance
Caldari State
#255 - 2013-05-11 00:41:26 UTC
Always glad to see my plex stash go up in value for any reason. Two-fer that it's a decent idea.
Sir Marksalot
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#256 - 2013-05-11 01:02:41 UTC
Terajima Kazumi wrote:
Destiny Corrupted wrote:
I've been running multiple accounts for years and I too don't really see much utility here. The net benefit of this change seems to be zero. Obviously it doesn't take anything away, but it doesn't really add anything either.

If it was cheaper, for example, then sure, lots of utility to be had. But it's not (and in a way it's more expensive if you compare to regular cash subs, since PLEXes are more expensive). For the same price, you don't even get the benefit of being able to use both characters at the same time.

You have to remember less logins, I guess? I don't know.

Edit: I guess you could have one account with a bunch of derpy cyno alts or something (though you essentially only save some training time with this feature).. That's kind of nice. But it's a very limited feature in terms of who it would benefit. Something's better than nothing I suppose.

Once you're running more than a handful of accounts, shuffling ISK around and getting one character from each account to a trade hub to buy a PLEX every month gets really painful. This will help reduce the burden of keeping so many characters training.


I'm going to blow your mind.

Buy plex in jita on an alt. Contract plex to alts that need them. Redeem via assets menu.
Charlie Jacobson
#257 - 2013-05-11 01:04:36 UTC  |  Edited by: Charlie Jacobson
DelightSucker wrote:
this feature have been here forever, its called and ALT account

whats good about this??

its gonna cost the same as running another acc, that you can actually play on, have 2 cynos alts or 2 noob spys or whatever.

now we get the option to pay for 2 and only able to play whit one.


also. CCP, i thought you learned by having 2 options right next to each other. add game time and this right under each other is bound to fill up your pettion system!


^this pretty much sums up how I feel about this. It seems like a redundant feature to add unless they make it cheaper than having a second account.
EDIT: After thinking about it for more than 30 seconds I realize that it's mildly useful for training trade alts, research alts, cyno alts, PI alts, etc. Still, not a feature I would use.

I would be more interested if it was a one-time payment to permanently upgrade your account to be able to train more chars. It could cost more than one PLEX of course, but yeah.

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Avacore Estemaire
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#258 - 2013-05-11 01:47:44 UTC
This thread is being a bit weird.

Normally there are some people explain why it's good and some argue why it's bad.

Currently, half is arguing why it's convenient and good and the other half is explaining why THEY will never use it. Not why it's bad, they just spend time explaining why they don't care. This is a quick, convenient and apparently almost finished being implemented. if some people find it convinient (like me) because they can save money/ISK on character transfers (because that's the alternative) then let them. This doesn't introduce something game breaking. It just makes it more sensible and convenient. If this was available a few months ago, BOY would I've been a happy camper Big smile
Zifrian
The Frog Pond
Ribbit.
#259 - 2013-05-11 02:07:37 UTC
I honestly thought you were going to say this is a bug.

If it's limited to 30 days, I'm all for it. Training cyno alts is kind of a pain. Not a big deal, only like a week of training but still. I can think of a ton of other things to train instead of a character I'll use maybe a few times a week for nothing else.

I could see issues with trading alts and such though being abused. I'm sure there is some other ways as well. But overall, not a bad change imo.

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Charlie Jacobson
#260 - 2013-05-11 02:11:07 UTC
Avacore Estemaire wrote:
This thread is being a bit weird.

Normally there are some people explain why it's good and some argue why it's bad.

Currently, half is arguing why it's convenient and good and the other half is explaining why THEY will never use it. Not why it's bad, they just spend time explaining why they don't care. This is a quick, convenient and apparently almost finished being implemented. if some people find it convinient (like me) because they can save money/ISK on character transfers (because that's the alternative) then let them. This doesn't introduce something game breaking. It just makes it more sensible and convenient. If this was available a few months ago, BOY would I've been a happy camper Big smile


I can't speak for everyone else, but I was just disappointed that it wasn't a permanent upgrade. EVE is the only MMO I know where it costs extra to have an alt in the first place.

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