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30 days dual character training - now on Singularity

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Allus Nova
#221 - 2013-05-10 20:24:20 UTC
mama guru wrote:
Lipbite wrote:
1) can't imagine why would I need 3 toons on single account instead of 3 toons on 3 accounts (which can be used as fleet);

2) single EVE account with 3 toons in training cost ~50$ per month. Interesting. Highest monthly fee in the industry afaik.


You can train alts you might not want an extra account for. Like cynos, PI alts or haulers, use a plex and you won't loose sp on your primary char.



OK...so for what reason wouldn't you want another account for a cyno alt? Because it's better to not be able to log them in all at once...no that's not it....Oh because it's better to pay more for them each month...no...that's not it either...

Look, if CCP was offering all 3 slots training for 2 plex a month, or payment + plex, then I'm all for it, we are getting some value, but this is a bait and switch, except that we're getting the **** end of the stick here.

You are paying more for less, or in a best case example, the same money for less.

There is simply NO reason not to have an additional account, especially when it provides significant tangible benefits over this half veiled attempt to drive up revenue. I would love to see this program active, but give us something worth using.
Some Rando
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#222 - 2013-05-10 20:27:16 UTC
Allus Nova wrote:
There is simply NO reason not to have an additional account

Well, there is because you may not want to or be able to pay for more than one account per month. This is great for people who only want one or two accounts.

CCP has no sense of humour.
mama guru
Yazatas.
#223 - 2013-05-10 20:30:27 UTC
Allus Nova wrote:
mama guru wrote:
Lipbite wrote:
1) can't imagine why would I need 3 toons on single account instead of 3 toons on 3 accounts (which can be used as fleet);

2) single EVE account with 3 toons in training cost ~50$ per month. Interesting. Highest monthly fee in the industry afaik.


You can train alts you might not want an extra account for. Like cynos, PI alts or haulers, use a plex and you won't loose sp on your primary char.



OK...so for what reason wouldn't you want another account for a cyno alt? Because it's better to not be able to log them in all at once...no that's not it....Oh because it's better to pay more for them each month...no...that's not it either...

Look, if CCP was offering all 3 slots training for 2 plex a month, or payment + plex, then I'm all for it, we are getting some value, but this is a bait and switch, except that we're getting the **** end of the stick here.

You are paying more for less, or in a best case example, the same money for less.

There is simply NO reason not to have an additional account, especially when it provides significant tangible benefits over this half veiled attempt to drive up revenue. I would love to see this program active, but give us something worth using.


If you have only two accounts with 50-100+ mil sp chars on them you don't want to use one for a lowsec cyno unless you like to babysit cynos for 10 minutes.

I'd rather buy a plex and invest a month in a cyno alt with 2 mil sp and a cheap clone. But I agree with most of your post though.

EVE online is the fishermans friend of MMO's. If it's too hard you are too weak.
Bi-Mi Lansatha
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#224 - 2013-05-10 20:34:36 UTC
Allus Nova wrote:
There is simply NO reason not to have an additional account..
It saves money.

Two accounts (one PvP and one PI) cost you... 24 monthly payments for two years of using both toons. One account with the same toons cost 15-16 monthly payments for two years Why? After 3-4 months your PI toon no longer needs to be trained. On one account you stop paying and can continue to use both toons. You can not do that with two accounts.
Sir Marksalot
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#225 - 2013-05-10 20:38:44 UTC  |  Edited by: Sir Marksalot
Allus Nova wrote:
mama guru wrote:
Lipbite wrote:
1) can't imagine why would I need 3 toons on single account instead of 3 toons on 3 accounts (which can be used as fleet);

2) single EVE account with 3 toons in training cost ~50$ per month. Interesting. Highest monthly fee in the industry afaik.


You can train alts you might not want an extra account for. Like cynos, PI alts or haulers, use a plex and you won't loose sp on your primary char.



OK...so for what reason wouldn't you want another account for a cyno alt? Because it's better to not be able to log them in all at once...no that's not it....Oh because it's better to pay more for them each month...no...that's not it either...

Look, if CCP was offering all 3 slots training for 2 plex a month, or payment + plex, then I'm all for it, we are getting some value, but this is a bait and switch, except that we're getting the **** end of the stick here.

You are paying more for less, or in a best case example, the same money for less.

There is simply NO reason not to have an additional account, especially when it provides significant tangible benefits over this half veiled attempt to drive up revenue. I would love to see this program active, but give us something worth using.



I don't think you understand what a cyno even is. Or what this thread is about.

Seriously, don't bother making a large whinepost if you can't bother to read even a single page of this thread.
Del Vikus
Sundered Core
#226 - 2013-05-10 20:39:53 UTC
Haulie Berry
#227 - 2013-05-10 20:41:59 UTC  |  Edited by: Haulie Berry
Allus Nova wrote:


There is simply NO reason not to have an additional account, especially when it provides significant tangible benefits over this half veiled attempt to drive up revenue. I would love to see this program active, but give us something worth using.


Again, you lack imagination.

There are tons of scenarios where this is VASTLY preferable to an alt account.

For instance, I have one character with perfect invention skills, and two alts on the same account with basic S&I skills (and one flies an Orca).

I can now flesh out the invention skills on the other characters in half the time. I never need to have them logged in concurrently, I don't want to plex a third account indefinitely, and the two alts in question already have ~ 30 million SP between them. Once I have maxed out the invention skills on the two alts, I have no intention of training them further.

This is actually quite perfect for me, and since my alts already have a substantial number of SPs, far preferable to opening yet another account. I can basically drop a few plex, train my alts up, and then stop paying plex while reaping the benefits in perpetuity. With an alt account, I would have to continue shelling out plex in perpetuity (or cough up for a transfer fee) to enjoy the benefits.

So, there you have it. You have stated that there is NO reason not to have an additional account.

You are objectively wrong.
Helios Aquiness
Perkone
Caldari State
#228 - 2013-05-10 20:43:05 UTC
No one seems to have realised this but there is a huge obvious advantage to haveing 2 characters on one account instead of 2 accounts. With 2 accounts it costs the same in terms of training time but unlike a dual account, once you have the skill you need on the alt you can stop paying for the time.

Senario 1:

Character A is training on first account, Cost 1 plex a month to keep the account open.

Character B is training on second account but only needs PI and cyno skills, Cost 1 plex a month to keep the account open.

Total: 2 plex per month for as long as you want both characters.

Senario 2:

Character A is training on first account, Cost 1 plex a month to keep the account open.

Character B is training on the same account but only needs PI and cyno skills, Cost 1 plex a month untill skill is trained.

Total: 2 plex a month untill B has the needed skills then 1 plex a month there after.


Carebear? Im a brony, motherf***er.
Some Rando
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#229 - 2013-05-10 20:47:06 UTC
Helios Aquiness wrote:
No one seems to have realised this

A ton of people have realized what just popped into your head, read the thread again ignoring the select minority that is choosing to ignore it.

CCP has no sense of humour.
Sir Marksalot
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#230 - 2013-05-10 20:47:06 UTC
Haulie Berry wrote:
Allus Nova wrote:


There is simply NO reason not to have an additional account, especially when it provides significant tangible benefits over this half veiled attempt to drive up revenue. I would love to see this program active, but give us something worth using.


Again, you lack imagination.

There are tons of scenarios where this is VASTLY preferable to an alt account.

For instance, I have one character with perfect invention skills, and two alts on the same account with basic S&I skills (and one flies an Orca).

I can now flesh out the invention skills on the other characters in half the time. I never need to have them logged in concurrently, I don't want to plex a third account indefinitely, and the two alts in question already have ~ 30 million SP between them. Once I have maxed out the invention skills on the two alts, I have no intention of training them further.

This is actually quite perfect for me, and since my alts already have a substantial number of SPs, far preferable to opening yet another account.

So, there you have it. You have stated that there is NO reason not to have an additional account.

You are objectively wrong.



But you can log them all in at once! It's totally worth the money/plex to have a seperate account for every character you own! I for one am glad I made the decision to make an entirely new account to make a freighter alt that I use once or twice a month.
Sir Marksalot
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#231 - 2013-05-10 20:48:42 UTC
Some Rando wrote:
Helios Aquiness wrote:
No one seems to have realised this

A ton of people have realized what just popped into your head, read the thread again ignoring the select minority that is choosing to ignore it.


No he's a really smart and totally special snowflake that just figured out before any of us sheeple.
Steve Ronuken
Fuzzwork Enterprises
Vote Steve Ronuken for CSM
#232 - 2013-05-10 20:48:46 UTC
Helios Aquiness wrote:
No one seems to have realised this but there is a huge obvious advantage to haveing 2 characters on one account instead of 2 accounts. With 2 accounts it costs the same in terms of training time but unlike a dual account, once you have the skill you need on the alt you can stop paying for the time.

Senario 1:

Character A is training on first account, Cost 1 plex a month to keep the account open.

Character B is training on second account but only needs PI and cyno skills, Cost 1 plex a month to keep the account open.

Total: 2 plex per month for as long as you want both characters.

Senario 2:

Character A is training on first account, Cost 1 plex a month to keep the account open.

Character B is training on the same account but only needs PI and cyno skills, Cost 1 plex a month untill skill is trained.

Total: 2 plex a month untill B has the needed skills then 1 plex a month there after.




Read back throught the last 11 pages. You'll find three kinds of posts:
1: People going 'woo!'
2: People saying 'This is dumb, no-one would want this' (disregarding the Woos)
3: People explaining why it's a good option.

You've just posted 3 again.

Woo! CSM XI!

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Lady Areola Fappington
#233 - 2013-05-10 20:55:14 UTC
The whole "subs will go down!" doomgasm is kind of silly too. Believe it or not, More subs is not always a good thing. More subs means more wasted resources maintaing those subs, which can look bad to potential investors. Think of it like this:


Game A has 20 accounts, at $10 a pop. Each account costs $2 to maintain in overall resources. You've made $160
Game B has 5 accounts, at $50 a pop. Each account, same $2 to maintain. Net $240.

While Game A has MOAR ACCOUNTS, Game B is actually in a better financial position. I expect EVE would be the same....any loss in sub numbers would be more than made up for in decreased resource use and increased per account income.

7.2 CAN I AVOID PVP COMPLETELY? No; there are no systems or locations in New Eden where PvP may be completely avoided. --Eve New Player Guide
Sir Marksalot
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#234 - 2013-05-10 21:03:19 UTC
Lady Areola Fappington wrote:
The whole "subs will go down!" doomgasm is kind of silly too. Believe it or not, More subs is not always a good thing. More subs means more wasted resources maintaing those subs, which can look bad to potential investors. Think of it like this:


Game A has 20 accounts, at $10 a pop. Each account costs $2 to maintain in overall resources. You've made $160
Game B has 5 accounts, at $50 a pop. Each account, same $2 to maintain. Net $240.

While Game A has MOAR ACCOUNTS, Game B is actually in a better financial position. I expect EVE would be the same....any loss in sub numbers would be more than made up for in decreased resource use and increased per account income.


Computers don't quite work that way, yo.

It'll probably get more people to buy PLEX though. I know I'm grabbing at least 4 for freighter alts.
Logan LaMort
Screaming Hayabusa
#235 - 2013-05-10 21:08:23 UTC
CCP RubberBAND wrote:
Hey all,

RubberBAND here from the team implementing this feature. First apologies that you have not seen a Dev Blog about this. We had planned for one to go just prior to Fanfest, but that plan fell through. We hope to have a Dev Blog out sometime soon, but we don't have an ETA for you all yet.

To answer some of the questions in this thread, we are very interested in feedback regarding this feature and how useful you may find it. As most have figured out, this is a short term option for people who want to train an alt on their account without having to maintain two (or more) accounts.

If you are training two characters and the dual character in training runs out, the character with fewest skill points is assumed to be the alt and will be paused, while your character with more skill points will continue training.

Anyway expect more information soon, till then keep this thread rolling.


I would definitely find this useful Smile
Lady Areola Fappington
#236 - 2013-05-10 21:09:40 UTC
Sir Marksalot wrote:
Lady Areola Fappington wrote:
The whole "subs will go down!" doomgasm is kind of silly too. Believe it or not, More subs is not always a good thing. More subs means more wasted resources maintaing those subs, which can look bad to potential investors. Think of it like this:


Game A has 20 accounts, at $10 a pop. Each account costs $2 to maintain in overall resources. You've made $160
Game B has 5 accounts, at $50 a pop. Each account, same $2 to maintain. Net $240.

While Game A has MOAR ACCOUNTS, Game B is actually in a better financial position. I expect EVE would be the same....any loss in sub numbers would be more than made up for in decreased resource use and increased per account income.


Computers don't quite work that way, yo.

It'll probably get more people to buy PLEX though. I know I'm grabbing at least 4 for freighter alts.



Ohh, I know, I'm dumbifying it all the way down as far as I can to reach the LCM of EVE-O.

Small example of my "resources"...three accounts means three entries the billing system has to keep up with. Those tiny little tenths of a cent start adding up when you hit mass numbers.

also CAN I BE SPESS CAPTUNZ WIT U GUYS!!?

7.2 CAN I AVOID PVP COMPLETELY? No; there are no systems or locations in New Eden where PvP may be completely avoided. --Eve New Player Guide
Helios Aquiness
Perkone
Caldari State
#237 - 2013-05-10 21:18:36 UTC
I know its been posted but people have to be told things several times before it sinks in. 
Carebear? Im a brony, motherf***er.
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#238 - 2013-05-10 21:22:42 UTC
Allus Nova wrote:
But that doesn't mitigate the extra cost...no?
Sure it does. That's the cost of convenience, as the saying goes.

· No need to go through the account creation process.
· No need to go through the character transfer process to consolidate the accounts.
· No need to pay extra for the transfer.
· No need to have a useful character sit in limbo during the transfer, and no time lost in the narrow margin between “completed 30d training” and “30d sub runs out”.
· Much better control over duration and period spent training.

Instead: rclick, boom, relog start training. The €1–2 saved per month if the alt account had been paid with a long-term subscription is such a small amount that the convenience of these points are well worth the extra cost.

In fact, if you do it is spurts every now and then, it becomes cheaper this way since there's no need to keep that second account going or, alternatively, no need to shuffle characters back and forth between a constantly active and some kind of alt-training account.
Malcanis
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
#239 - 2013-05-10 21:34:14 UTC
Oh, EVE players...



Never change Lol

"Just remember later that I warned against any change to jump ranges or fatigue. You earned whats coming."

Grath Telkin, 11.10.2016
Mr. Orange
Band of Freelancers
#240 - 2013-05-10 21:43:59 UTC
Very nice feature, please hot-patch it in for tomorrow's downtime, kthxbye.

Cool