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Roime
Mea Culpa.
Shadow Cartel
#21 - 2013-05-10 16:09:02 UTC
^ Windows PCs are great for gaming (that's why I keep one SSD for 7 & EVE)

if you want to work, you need either OSX or linux, simple as that

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Kazuma Gaterau
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#22 - 2013-05-10 16:15:37 UTC
^ This

I plan on having my next build boot my OS off of a SSD and i'm gonna have a 128 gb SSD with 7, and install my games on there that I play to help cut loading time. A secondary HDD of 2TB 7200 RPM I will have to hold my bulk/unimportant files such as music, videos, etc.
Prince Kobol
#23 - 2013-05-10 16:39:04 UTC
London wrote:
Wow, you are a closed-minded and predictable lot. :P

I use both platforms for different purposes. I agree that a PC is obviously superior for gaming value, but given that the lad happens to have a Macbook Pro (a solid machine), you could at least help him out instead of going through the usual "my computer is better than your computer" dribble.

Aside from gaming on a PC, I prefer a Mac for creative design work, and I can guarantee most agencies in similar fields house Macs given their small footprint and beautiful design.

Peace out.


Not really.

I have worked at most Companies in the UK who specialise in military hardware (Astute Class Subs, Tornado, Hawk, Harrier, Nimrod Mk4, Euro fighter, JSF, Titan, Trojan, Challenger 2 etc, and they all used a combination of Unix and HP Workstations,

You would not find 1 fruity device at any of these companies at any of there sites.
Roime
Mea Culpa.
Shadow Cartel
#24 - 2013-05-10 16:44:08 UTC
See, UNIX is a great foundation for a solid operation system.



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Lord Ryan
True Xero
#25 - 2013-05-10 19:44:23 UTC
I don't understand why someone would want to buy a product that works flawlessly for years on end. Come on noob! Buy a PC! PC's do so many amazing things TS overlay, gaming accessory support, frequent freezing and crashing, fatal flaws. Four years ago I made the worse decision of my life and purchased a Mac. Had I been smart and purchased a PC I could be on my second replacement by now. Stupid Mac working everyday year after year!

Do not assume anything above this line was typed by me. Nerf the Truth, it's inconvenient.
Arduemont
Rotten Legion
#26 - 2013-05-10 21:27:39 UTC  |  Edited by: Arduemont
Lord Ryan wrote:
I don't understand why someone would want to buy a product that works flawlessly for years on end. Come on noob! Buy a PC! PC's do so many amazing things TS overlay, gaming accessory support, frequent freezing and crashing, fatal flaws. Four years ago I made the worse decision of my life and purchased a Mac. Had I been smart and purchased a PC I could be on my second replacement by now. Stupid Mac working everyday year after year!


When your Mac goes out of date, let me know how you get on trying to unsolder the CPU and RAM when you want to upgrade it.

Edit:

Macs are just PCs with a different operating system. The hardware is worse because the operating system requires less resources to run, because it's simpler (read simpler, NOT better). As for all the advantages the Mac OS typically claims to have over Windows, they all stopped being true when Windows 7 was release. Macs don't get viruses often? Neither does Windows 7. Macs don't bluescreen? Neither does Windows 7. Macs don't freeze! Err, they always have... so nevermind that. Better design software for a Mac? Not better, just more expensive. Also, most programs that work on a Mac have to be pre-approved by apple before they will allow it to run, so you can say goodbye to any potential freeware (that are often better than a lot of the pay for stuff).

The Mac OS is horribly restrictive if you want to do anything even vaguely technical. It's great if you don't ever plan to do anything complicated.

"In the age of information, ignorance is a choice." www.stateofwar.co.nf
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#27 - 2013-05-10 21:29:30 UTC
Arduemont wrote:
When your Mac goes out of date, let me know how you get on trying to unsolder the CPU and RAM when you want to upgrade it.
The same way you get to unsolder the CPU, RAM, and chipset sockets on your mobo to match the latest tech.
Defying
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#28 - 2013-05-10 21:33:23 UTC
Kiv Kobrakai wrote:
Eve actually plays extremely well on my MacBook... but I'm getting increasingly irritated with this 13 inch screen and having to bend forward at my desk to get a decent experience.

And not allowing their consumers the ability to maximize applications to full screen on an external monitor is pretty douchey on Apple's part.

I'm not shelling out a thousand bucks for the thunderbolt display..



I use external monitors all the time


Quote:
From the Apple menu, open System Preferences and select Displays.
Hold down the option key to enable the Detect Displays button.
Select Detect Displays.
Arduemont
Rotten Legion
#29 - 2013-05-10 21:35:15 UTC  |  Edited by: Arduemont
Tippia wrote:
Arduemont wrote:
When your Mac goes out of date, let me know how you get on trying to unsolder the CPU and RAM when you want to upgrade it.
The same way you get to unsolder the CPU, RAM, and chipset sockets on your mobo to match the latest tech.



Haha, that's not quite the same and you know it. P Buying a new motherboard is not the same as buying a whole new computer.

"In the age of information, ignorance is a choice." www.stateofwar.co.nf
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#30 - 2013-05-10 21:43:30 UTC
Arduemont wrote:
Haha, that's not quite the same and you know it. P
Sure it is.
When your PC is out of date, to the point where it's time for a CPU upgrade, there will be a new chipset out, a new best processor that most likely requires a different socket, and quite possibly a new generation of RAM. So mobo/CPU/RAM goes as a package; GFX/other cards as one; storage as one package; chassis and PSU as one. This was true even back in the day when there were only really two or three sockets and chipsets at any given time to choose between — the pace has picked up these days. Sure, you could upgrade more often and in smaller portions, but that mainly means you're wasting more money for incremental improvements rather than stretch it out between proper, sizeable upgrades.

Going for iMacs just mean you no longer do those package upgrades — it's everything at once, but aside from not being able to reuse the chassis/PSU, it's much the same as if it were a windows box. Going for MacBooks is no different than any other laptop. And then, of course, there are hackintoshes…

After all, Mac ≡ PC, unless you're one of those suckers who were fooled by the Apple commercials. Lol
Arduemont
Rotten Legion
#31 - 2013-05-10 21:48:25 UTC
Tippia wrote:
Arduemont wrote:
Haha, that's not quite the same and you know it. P
Sure it is.
When your PC is out of date, to the point where it's time for a CPU upgrade, there will be a new chipset out, a new best processor that most likely requires a different socket, and quite possibly a new generation of RAM. So mobo/CPU/RAM goes as a package; GFX/other cards as one; storage as one package; chassis and PSU as one. This was true even back in the day when there were only really two or three sockets and chipsets at any given time to choose between — the pace has picked up these days. Sure, you could upgrade more often and in smaller portions, but that mainly means you're wasting more money for incremental improvements rather than stretch it out between proper, sizeable upgrades.

Going for iMacs just mean you no longer do those package upgrades — it's everything at once, but aside from not being able to reuse the chassis/PSU, it's much the same as if it were a windows box. Going for MacBooks is no different than any other laptop. And then, of course, there are hackintoshes…

After all, Mac ≡ PC, unless you're one of those suckers who were fooled by the Apple commercials. Lol


Fair point. I concede.

Although I do like being able to tinker with my set up and change things as and when I want to.I work for a company that recycles computers/servers/networking etc etc (amongst other things), so getting hold of new improved stuff is easy for me. If I owned a Mac, I wouldn't be able to do that.

"In the age of information, ignorance is a choice." www.stateofwar.co.nf
Defying
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#32 - 2013-05-10 22:07:22 UTC  |  Edited by: Defying
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Defying
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#33 - 2013-05-10 22:08:08 UTC
Kazuma Gaterau wrote:
Kiv Kobrakai wrote:
baltec1 wrote:
Next time get a pc. Its both cheaper and better and won't shaft you because the screen doesn't have fruit on it.


I literally LOL'ed at that one.

I'm thinking about building a PC strictly for gaming... even though the only real computer game I play is eve. My PS3 is collecting dust since I started playing eve so I'm thinking about selling that and my entire collection to put money towards building a decent gaming rig.

Does anyone have good specs for a PC build that will play eve with the same graphics and performance as the 2012 Macbook Pro? The MBP is running a 2.5 GHz Intel Core i5 processor and has Intel HD Graphics 4000 512 MB.

My budget is $800....

or maybe I should start a new thread in the tech forum.... ok doing that now.



Unlike apple products for $800 you can have a superb gaming machine

This link http://www.ibuypower.com/Store/Gamer_Mage_D415

Be sure to set the ram to 8 gb instead of 4 gb and this machine will heavily outperform your mac.
The video card, not trying to be a ****, in your mac is integrated and it is absolutely holding you back. The video card in in this PC is like upgrading from a tricycle to a nissan skyline.

I always explain to my girlfriend that Macs are like designer brand shoes.
You can pay 800$ for a pair of designer shoes, and try to go running and shred them.
Or you can pay $120 for a pair of shoes built for running by nike, reebok, etc. and run better and lasts longer at its task it is designed for.

Sorry for all the mac bashing, but its the way it is.

Also be sure to check the operating system before ordering if you buy this, windows 8 is selected by default. If you want that then keep it, if you want 7, then choose 7.



That machine WILL NOT out perform my mac... haha thats comical at least....

Have you ever even owned a mac? Have you used one?

http://www.primatelabs.com/images/blog/2013/15-retina-early-2013.png



Sadly there is no real way to explain to haters that a mac is a better buy in the long run..... They are generally the dudes running around in volvos, making fun of peeps in BMWs, or are yelling nerf super carriers and dont have one....


If you don't own one please refrain from judging it... I know its human nature and what not but we "on the inside" really get far more giggles out of your mac hater tears then we do ganking miners in high sec.

I just installed a brand new tear catcher in my mac today.. so please keep the "omg mak sucks" comments a coming...

Ill keep running six copies of eve online, in six different desktop spaces that only takes three fingers to switch between (Which I learned from your girly... in game), on a laptop that has a higher resolution then the biggest TV you can buy on the market right now and apparently is going to be "out performed" by a desktop for $900 bucks.

You are missing so many stats on that system and are really making some very noobish computer building mistakes when comparing the two computers... Whats the l2 cache on your system vrs my system? What are the ram bus speeds on your ram compared to mine? Who manufactures the little components like caps and resistors on your computer compared to mine? Whats the gold to copper ratio of the components on your board compared to mine? 500w power supply... haha no wonder the lights on that thing "fade in and out"... are you sure thats an intended feature?


Lets really compare whats going on...

[Processor]

Yours - AMD FX-6300 CPU (6x 3.50GHz/6MB L2 Cache)

Mine - intel Core i7 processor (Turbo Boost up to 3.4GHz) with 6MB shared L3 cache

http://www.cpu-world.com/Compare/443/AMD_FX-Series_FX-6300_vs_Intel_Core_i7_i7-3770K.html


[RAM]

Yours - 4GB [2 GB X2] DDR3-1600 Memory Module
Mine - 8GB of 1600MHz DDR3L onboard memory


[Hard Drive]

Yours - 1 TB HARD DRIVE -- 32M Cache, 7200 RPM, 6.0Gb/s - Single Drive
Mine - 512GB SSD @ 220mbs

I also have a 2tb hdd installed as well for general storage stuff

http://www.storagereview.com/ssd_vs_hdd

[Video] (you have a small very unmeaningful edge here)
Yours - NVIDIA GeForce GTX 650 - 1GB (http://www.geforce.com/hardware/desktop-gpus/geforce-gtx-650/specifications)
Mine - NVIDIA GeForce GT 650M with 1GB of GDDR5 memory and automatic graphics switching (http://www.notebookcheck.net/NVIDIA-GeForce-GT-650M.71887.0.html)


:)
Maggie Evenstar
Unoriginal Corporation
#34 - 2013-05-11 00:55:43 UTC
Such Mac envy in here.

I have a new MacBook Pro w/ Retina and Eve works fine in fullscreen on external monitors. Also, the high-res on the built in screen makes Eve look incredible!
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#35 - 2013-05-11 01:05:40 UTC
Arduemont wrote:
Fair point. I concede.

Although I do like being able to tinker with my set up and change things as and when I want to.I work for a company that recycles computers/servers/networking etc etc (amongst other things), so getting hold of new improved stuff is easy for me. If I owned a Mac, I wouldn't be able to do that.

Oh sure. There are advantages with both. I went Mac because I wanted Unix and because I was thoroughly fed up with the hardware tinkering — the reduced footprint, the peace and quiet, the reduced hassle, and the UI of the Macs are well worth the added cost to me.

It's no the tool I'd pick for all kinds of jobs, but for what I do, there's no beating them. If I want to play games, I have a console (or three) so there's no real for me there… and the “PC gaming” genres that interest me pretty much universally offer Mac releases these days anyway.
Lord Ryan
True Xero
#36 - 2013-05-11 03:23:07 UTC
Arduemont wrote:
Lord Ryan wrote:
I don't understand why someone would want to buy a product that works flawlessly for years on end. Come on noob! Buy a PC! PC's do so many amazing things TS overlay, gaming accessory support, frequent freezing and crashing, fatal flaws. Four years ago I made the worse decision of my life and purchased a Mac. Had I been smart and purchased a PC I could be on my second replacement by now. Stupid Mac working everyday year after year!


When your Mac goes out of date, let me know how you get on trying to unsolder the CPU and RAM when you want to upgrade it.

Edit:


I've already had 4 years good of use out of it. I've got my money's worth. I'll replace it when the time come with another Mac.

I keep a PC for whatever I can't do on my Mac. I also use a PC everyday at work. My Mac just generally works better at everything it does and it does pretty much everything I need. I only keep a PC because I can afford the luxury of know all avenues are open to me, and I like gadgets.

Do not assume anything above this line was typed by me. Nerf the Truth, it's inconvenient.
Arduemont
Rotten Legion
#37 - 2013-05-11 10:00:28 UTC  |  Edited by: Arduemont
Lord Ryan wrote:
Arduemont wrote:
Lord Ryan wrote:
I don't understand why someone would want to buy a product that works flawlessly for years on end. Come on noob! Buy a PC! PC's do so many amazing things TS overlay, gaming accessory support, frequent freezing and crashing, fatal flaws. Four years ago I made the worse decision of my life and purchased a Mac. Had I been smart and purchased a PC I could be on my second replacement by now. Stupid Mac working everyday year after year!


When your Mac goes out of date, let me know how you get on trying to unsolder the CPU and RAM when you want to upgrade it.

Edit:


I've already had 4 years good of use out of it. I've got my money's worth. I'll replace it when the time come with another Mac.

I keep a PC for whatever I can't do on my Mac. I also use a PC everyday at work. My Mac just generally works better at everything it does and it does pretty much everything I need. I only keep a PC because I can afford the luxury of know all avenues are open to me, and I like gadgets.


I suppose the three things that irritate me most about Mac is the hype, the inflated cost, and the fact that I have to work with them the way I do.

Macs are just PCs with a different OS at the end of the day. If the specs are better, then yea, it's better... but you'll pay twice what a PC user has to for the same hardware inside.

When someone asks us to wipe a Mac and ensure there is no data on it before it can be resold, it means opening the thing up because you can't ensure everything is clear unless you do (you pretty much can with most PCs) and Macs are horrible to open up because Apple don't want you looking at how crappy everything inside is. Everything is soldered in, or fixed to break if taken out, and because they're very very difficult to resell without leaving information on them they leave a massive carbon footprint (they don't want people buying second hand Macs, they want you to buy new ones from them).

My problem I suppose isn't really with the machines, because they're just the same hardware as everything else. It's Apple's business practices I hate and that has kind of spread to everything else. Apple are assholes pretty much.

If you really like Macs you can buy a PC and put the Mac OS on it and you'll have the best of both worlds (in your mind. I personally prefer Windows, but that's just personal choice).

"In the age of information, ignorance is a choice." www.stateofwar.co.nf
Roime
Mea Culpa.
Shadow Cartel
#38 - 2013-05-11 10:20:48 UTC
Arduemont wrote:

When someone asks us to wipe a Mac and ensure there is no data on it before it can be resold, it means opening the thing up because you can't ensure everything is clear unless you do (you pretty much can with most PCs) and Macs are horrible to open up because Apple don't want you looking at how crappy everything inside is. Everything is soldered in, or fixed to break if taken out, and because they're very very difficult to resell without leaving information on them they leave a massive carbon footprint (they don't want people buying second hand Macs, they want you to buy new ones from them).

My problem I suppose isn't really with the machines, because they're just the same hardware as everything else. It's Apple's business practices I hate and that has kind of spread to everything else. Apple are assholes pretty much.

If you really like Macs you can buy a PC and put the Mac OS on it and you'll have the best of both worlds (in your mind. I personally prefer Windows, but that's just personal choice).


Perhaps you can point us to a hardware manufacturer that prefers people reselling old gear instead of buying new ones? Or a big company that aren't assholes?

Yes, I agree Apple marketing can be irritating and laughable, but in the end it's just a means to an end, they are out to do business, and on the business side they are incredibly consistent top performers.

As what comes to reselling macs, I bought my 15.4" MBP in 2010 for 1399eur, sold it this week for 350eur. Because it's still as good as new. I don't just feel like I got huge value for my investment, it's a fact.

Their workstation line is an overprized joke, but the notebooks are really great machines. Similar models from other manufacturers cost almost as much. People often look blindly at internal specs, and forget that notebooks are complete units- design matters (not just visual style design), it's a sum of all the peripherals and internals, and you can hate Apple for many reasons, but they do know how to make a portable computer.

This is EVE related because I moved from the trusty old MPB workhorse to a custom built desktop rig mostly because it couldn't handle EVE with max settings :D

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Doc Severide
Doomheim
#39 - 2013-05-11 12:46:23 UTC  |  Edited by: Doc Severide
Lord Ryan wrote:
I don't understand why someone would want to buy a product that works flawlessly for years on end. Come on noob! Buy a PC! PC's do so many amazing things TS overlay, gaming accessory support, frequent freezing and crashing, fatal flaws. Four years ago I made the worse decision of my life and purchased a Mac. Had I been smart and purchased a PC I could be on my second replacement by now. Stupid Mac working everyday year after year!

While I do hate the machines, it's apple's business practices I hate more. Their crap is way too expensive simple as that. And they market to the uneducated and luddites. Remember those machines a few years back that were sold based on their color? Salesman: "What do you need in your new Mac"? Luddite: "I dunno, as long as it's blue"....


Lord Ryan wrote:
I keep a PC for whatever I can't do on my Mac.

So you don't turn on that mac very often then???
ACE McFACE
Dirt 'n' Glitter
Local Is Primary
#40 - 2013-05-11 12:56:43 UTC
Kiv Kobrakai wrote:
baltec1 wrote:
Next time get a pc. Its both cheaper and better and won't shaft you because the screen doesn't have fruit on it.


My PS3 is collecting dust

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