EVE General Discussion

This is so wrong I can't believe someone actually said it. This is wrong both in game (any game for that matter) and in real life. Losing a war is not something you want and there fore you must enter into a war with as much overkill as you can.

If you enter a war where both sides have an equal chance of winning you are doing something very wrong and should be court martialed and then executed for being an idiot, even if you win.

This is your problem, right here. You've been duped. Your six days old, and you are now teaching your newbies. Doesn't something about that sound a little wrong to you? Basically, your teachers skimped on the training, and you don't know enough yet to realise how they completely screwed you.

I was 'recruited' in my first day by a training corp. Actually, they didn't invite folks to the corp, they let you join their mailing list of useful pvp-tips, and join their public channel, exactly so the sort of thing thats happening to you didn't happen to me and similar people like me. The very first things I was taught had nothing to do with missioning, exploration, any of that ****. The first things they taught me was how to avoid and mitigate unwanted pvp situations. Frankly, your 'issues' would be resolved by just a few tips that if your CEO had half a brain, he could have told you in minutes. Some have already been mentioned, but I'll reiterate anyway.

- Jump clones. Get them. I don't know if Estel Arrador is still running his corp, but he used to run a way for new guy to get jump clones without running the standing hoops. You have 2-3 jump clones littered ~20 jumps apart, no-one is camping you in anywhere. Even if your persuer can be bothered to move once to chase you (chances he cant), after the second or third jump, he'll definitly forget it.

- Just pod out. It is impossible to be camped into a highsec station. When you undock, you have an invulnerability timer, so you don't get killed before you load in system. Pods warp virtually instantly. Between those two things, no-one is locking your pod. Might he chase you? He might, but you warp instantly, he doesn't, you warp faster. Chae you all he likes, he wont catch you.

- Why don't you have an insta-undock? That was the first thing I was taught, always, always, have an insta-undock or three at all stations you base in. An insta-undock is a bookmark greater than 150km (most go for considerably further, 150 is risky, go for at least 200-250 to get yourself off station grid) from the undock point of the station, in line with the undock direction. Easy to make. Undock in a mwd frig, burn til your chosen distance, right-click, make bookmark. In order to warp, you need to be at minimum 2/3rds speed. You undock at full speed. So you right-click, select your insta bookmark, and you can be in the fattest-assed battleship you like, you are still warping instantly as you are already at speed (remember that invulnerability timer above, he can't stop you).

See, as people have pointed out, the tools are there, you just need to be aware of them.

To be honest EVE's mechanics don't reward equal fights. If you fight equally in this game you are doing something wrong. This kind of behavior will just be something you will have to deal with as something that happens to corporations all the time. Your only real options are stay in an npc corp if you want to avoid this kind of thing. Or join a bigger corp that can actually defend you/ help train you in pvp tactics. And how best to avoid death during wars.

Otherwise good luck. No corp should get a free pass. Your corporation will just have to adapt or die like everyone else.

It's not the wardeccer griefing the new player.

It's the new player's corp and CEO griefing the new player.

WHY are you hiring new players to join your corp, when you do not have the time, resources or experience to train them, defend them or field fleets?

If you cannot field PvP fleet you should NOT have a corporation.

The act of making a corporation is saying, "Yes, we are ready to fight."

Why would you do that, and then drag newbies into that, IF YOU CANNOT FIELD ANY FLEETS.

You get all these schitty little 12 man corps run by some gimp "experienced" CEO dragging newbies into his schitty little corp, getting wardecced, smacked around, lose ships, can't fly around or learn the game.

And WHY.

Because some schitty guy wants to be a CEO of his own schitty corp and drags newbs into that schit.

The "dev" solution to wardec griefing is to require 1 billion isk and 50 killmails to start your own corp. If you cannot collect 1b and 50 killmails easily, then you are not prepared to be a CEO of anything.

That's pretty much EXACTLY what you implied, though. "They just run away from anyone that will actually give them even a vague fight... but something must be done to stop them from sitting around and LOOKING scary!"

It's not CCP's job to give him consequences during a war dec, it's yours. He paid 50mil for the right to attack you freely anywhere for one week; the ball's in your court now, chump.

Find a better corp. Yes I know it sounds flip but it may be the truth.

I still remember my noob days. I joined a corp, and about 10 days into my EVE career got a wardec. I asked my corpies what I could do as a 10 day old total noob. They told me what station to fly to where they were going to base out of. They asked what I could fly (not much) and when I arrived at the station I had 15 fully fit Incurses waiting for me.

1. This helped offset costs. These T1 fit ships cost them nothing in comparison.
2. It quickly showed me how to fit a ship.

We then went out and they basically told me to tackled whatever the FC told me to.

I still recall the first battle. We fought them on the undock. I suddently was surrounded by flashes and explosions all around. It was utter chaos. I jumped into the thick of it, tackling and plinking with my T1 blasters. Then the other guys undocked their neutral logi and the call was made to warp off. Somehow I missed that call and was suddenly like "where is everyone" I spammed warp and got out in structure.

I yelled into comms "THAT WAS F**KING AWESOME" and pretty much everyone in corp laughed their asses off.

THAT was a noob friendly corp, and made my first 2 weeks in eve freaking awesome.

Look at that...

Another future war target in the same thread.

Play station games. Meta 1 buffer tank your ship, undock, redock ,undock, redock.

Let me help you out. Stand up, look straight ahead. Are you doing it? Good.

Now look straight up. The massive towering wall you see is actually the Eve learning curve.

Climb or don't, no one wil come to your rescue.

Crying on forums will just make your tears taste sweeter. Keep your head down, attach yourself to a competent well lead and classy corporation and start the climb up the almost vertical curve.

If not. Can I has your stuff?