EVE General Discussion

- first off, he had me cornered in a spacestation, waiting for me to leave. that spacestation wasnt a huge trading hub so even if i had the money i couldnt just put together a brand new attack frigate to kill him.

- im 6 days "old" in eve, i dont have the skills to fit an effective ewar (electronic warfare - what is ar?) and i dont have the the knowledge to do so, i have no idea how to make an effective EW ship.

- and i was alone in my corp at that time, so they couldnt help me, they dont give me a free frigate no. it is a new corp and what good would a poorly fitted frigate do vs a vagabond anyway?

- i did go to low sec and did an anomaly there with my CEO. we got ganked he lost a drake worth 57 mil and i lost a federation navy comet worth 27 mil at the time. that kind of scared me off for a while.

you are forgetting all the improtant parts of my post.. ill start at the top of what i've quoted.
- first off, he had me cornered in a spacestation, waiting for me to leave. that spacestation wasnt a huge trading hub so even if i had the money i couldnt just put together a brand new attack frigate to kill him.
- im 6 days "old" in eve, i dont have the skills to fit an effective ewar (electronic warfare - what is ar?) and i dont have the the knowledge to do so, i have no idea how to make an effective EW ship.
- destroyer with tier 1 modules vs a vagabond with presumably alot for tier 2 modules, do the math, will it work for a new player like me?
- "hell you can go somewhere els" he had me cornered in a spacestation waiting outside as i said in my first point. ofcourse this is a very rare senario, i see that. but how will i know he isnt allways tracking me with one of thoes agents who can do that from an alt?
- and i was alone in my corp at that time, so they couldnt help me, they dont give me a free frigate no. it is a new corp and what good would a poorly fitted frigate do vs a vagabond anyway?
- i did go to low sec and did an anomaly there with my CEO. we got ganked he lost a drake worth 57 mil and i lost a federation navy comet worth 27 mil at the time. that kind of scared me off for a while.
- all this adds up to your last statement in my quote. how the hell would you undock and kill him in my posistion. please tell me.


i am starting to see that this is a basic mechanic in Eve. and you clearly wanted it to stay that way. i was hoping enough rookies would "thumbs up" my post or whatever you would have to do, to make the devs see that this was an issue. i've read a lot of other posts about rookies being scammed, and baited into duels, that allso happend to me. but in the end i guess not enough rookies watch the forums for this topic to get positive feed back, there are more people who likes hunting bambies and people who are bambies it seems

Your CEO is running a tax scam. He doesn't know enough about Eve to run a corp or train people and you are paying him taxes. He supplies nothing of value in game and you give him taxes and manpower. This is one of the greatest problems with Eve; the ease with which one can found a corp. It leads to many players believing that they are outmatched and outgunned and in a hopeless situation, when in fact they have fallen prey to a con.

Hi, i started playing Eve 6 days ago. I really like the game so far, everything execpt one simple thing.

I joined a new player friendly corperation, called The Green Mouse. I meet experienced players who has helped me alot, and I think I have a good grasp of the game so far. I'd consider myself a fairly good player, I'm now able to help other new players in my corp with various tasks that they havent learned about yet. I've been running missions and anomalies most of my time in Eve, both solo and with my corporation members, which has been fun.

This is where the fun stops. I'm not going to complain about cirtain ships being overpowered, I'm not complaining about being killed by other players, and I'm not complaining about corporation being able to wage war against other corperations. What I'm going to complain about about new players like me being an easy target in wars.
I'll give you some quick examples from my experience in Eve
- We're at war at the moment against a small corperation with a small corporation, they declared war on us, no reason given.
- I'm a 6 days old character, which means i've had about 144 hours of skill training.
- At the moment I'm hiding in a spacestation from a player with 3 years experience. This guy has about 26280 hours of skill training, and he decided to declare war against my corporation.
- His flying a ship called Vagabond, it would take me 67 days to learn to fly that ship, and then I still need to train to use the modules.

I'm not saying this player is unbeatable or anything, im sure that if we gathered enough players from the corp we could take him down. But I still have no chance against him 1v1.
- He could be a ******** 11 year old boy with only 1 arm and two fingers on his only hand, and he would still ba able to beat me 99 out of a 100 times in a 1v1 duel, which i technically didnt agree to. All he needs to do is scramble my warp drive and activate his guns, and then I would be dead.

So my point is that there should be some kind of new player benefit. I'm not talking about giving us +100% hit points and damage, nothing like that. But I would like not to be a target of his. It is not a fair fight.

I know a lot of you will say things like:
- "The dont join such a corp"
- "Then log off"
- "You have no idea how hard it was in the early days of Eve"
- "If you dont like the game then leave"

I'm thinking a solution where new players would be "out of bounds" for more experienced players, maybe 6 months or older. Ofcourse everyone could still attack us, but concord would still interfere. If the less experienced player attacked the experienced player concord would not interfere, war like it is today.
The main issue is that when the war targets is online i cant be out of the spacestation if they are after me, i will lose my ship, and ships arent easily replaced in the start. - I know the first rule of Eve, dont fly ships you cant afford to lose, I can afford to lose this ship, and i wouldnt mind loseing it to another guy, with 6 days experience.

They started this war, we did not agree to be the targets, and most of our corporation members doesnt have a chance against these guys. So basicly they could just aswell fly around and gank us without us being at war, the war is just a cheap way of avoiding concord doesnt punish them for their actions!


I have a quote from a GM, here is the link: https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=230994&p=3
He said:
- "In all seriousness, do NOT try and game the system to go after rookies. We do not care how well you argue or how well your internet lawyering skills are. We do NOT allow this and the spirit of this principle trumps any and all other rules about game play we have. If you do this and your argument is "but this rule or this mechanic states..." then stop right there and do not bother; we WILL hammer down on that. No exceptions."

We can fully understand that you wish to use the various PVP options available to you, however such activity may draw unwanted attention of new players towards you, so we strongly suggest you move such activity out of the 25 solar systems currently listed and move it to any of the 7,674 other solar systems available to you.

I know that I'm not in one of the 25 solar systems, but i dont think that makes me fair game for a player who has been playing for 3 years. I still consider myself a rookie, which is why i joined a "new player friendly corporation"

First welcome to Eve, I'm a firm believer of baptism by fire for new players. You should leave your corp and join RvB and jump right into PvP, you won't regret it. Don't become a target/victim, become the predator. you'll have more fun. Good Luck.

More experienced players are quick to "This is Eve, deal with it." but it is easily the most broken and unbalanced part of the game.

I have never understood how people can defend war deccers who pick on n00b corps. I have spent a great deal of time aiding the victims of war decs, and do you know what happens if you try and fight these people? They hide. They are literally only interest in 100% win chance against n00bs in mining vessels. As soon as you turn up in PvP ready ship they **** their pants and run like little girls. I have literally resorting to trying to bait T2 cruiser with T1 frigs in the hopes they might actually attack, but more often than not they clock me as a 2009 player and don't even engage then. Bunch of pussies.

There shouldn't be an easy mechanic to allow people to PvP risk free like this. It is against the fundamental principles that Eve is based on. There is a difference between freedom to do what you want, and exploiting the system. 99% of war deccers are just exploiting the system. I used to be a proper supporter of an open war dec system where anyone can war dec anyway whenever they like, but having actually taken part and tried to help defend, I see how pointless it is.

Many of you people will jump to their defence, and say how they are entitled to their PvP. But the truth is, if they wanted PvP they would war dec Red or Blue, or Eve uni or something. It's not PvP. It's just bullying. Ie, feeling big about yourself because you can't pick on anyone who knows how to fight back. Man up and go to lowsec or null.

So what you're saying is that, despite the fact that these people are trivially dealt with and don't actually represent any legitimate threat, the game should protect people from them anyway?