EVE General Discussion

Hi, i started playing Eve 6 days ago. I really like the game so far, everything execpt one simple thing.

I joined a new player friendly corperation, called The Green Mouse. I meet experienced players who has helped me alot, and I think I have a good grasp of the game so far. I'd consider myself a fairly good player, I'm now able to help other new players in my corp with various tasks that they havent learned about yet. I've been running missions and anomalies most of my time in Eve, both solo and with my corporation members, which has been fun.

This is where the fun stops. I'm not going to complain about cirtain ships being overpowered, I'm not complaining about being killed by other players, and I'm not complaining about corporation being able to wage war against other corperations. What I'm going to complain about about new players like me being an easy target in wars.
I'll give you some quick examples from my experience in Eve
- We're at war at the moment against a small corperation with a small corporation, they declared war on us, no reason given.
- I'm a 6 days old character, which means i've had about 144 hours of skill training.
- At the moment I'm hiding in a spacestation from a player with 3 years experience. This guy has about 26280 hours of skill training, and he decided to declare war against my corporation.
- His flying a ship called Vagabond, it would take me 67 days to learn to fly that ship, and then I still need to train to use the modules.

I'm not saying this player is unbeatable or anything, im sure that if we gathered enough players from the corp we could take him down. But I still have no chance against him 1v1.
- He could be a ******** 11 year old boy with only 1 arm and two fingers on his only hand, and he would still ba able to beat me 99 out of a 100 times in a 1v1 duel, which i technically didnt agree to. All he needs to do is scramble my warp drive and activate his guns, and then I would be dead.

So my point is that there should be some kind of new player benefit. I'm not talking about giving us +100% hit points and damage, nothing like that. But I would like not to be a target of his. It is not a fair fight.

I know a lot of you will say things like:
- "The dont join such a corp"
- "Then log off"
- "You have no idea how hard it was in the early days of Eve"
- "If you dont like the game then leave"

I'm thinking a solution where new players would be "out of bounds" for more experienced players, maybe 6 months or older. Ofcourse everyone could still attack us, but concord would still interfere. If the less experienced player attacked the experienced player concord would not interfere, war like it is today.
The main issue is that when the war targets is online i cant be out of the spacestation if they are after me, i will lose my ship, and ships arent easily replaced in the start. - I know the first rule of Eve, dont fly ships you cant afford to lose, I can afford to lose this ship, and i wouldnt mind loseing it to another guy, with 6 days experience.

They started this war, we did not agree to be the targets, and most of our corporation members doesnt have a chance against these guys. So basicly they could just aswell fly around and gank us without us being at war, the war is just a cheap way of avoiding concord doesnt punish them for their actions!


I have a quote from a GM, here is the link: https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=230994&p=3
He said:
- "In all seriousness, do NOT try and game the system to go after rookies. We do not care how well you argue or how well your internet lawyering skills are. We do NOT allow this and the spirit of this principle trumps any and all other rules about game play we have. If you do this and your argument is "but this rule or this mechanic states..." then stop right there and do not bother; we WILL hammer down on that. No exceptions."

We can fully understand that you wish to use the various PVP options available to you, however such activity may draw unwanted attention of new players towards you, so we strongly suggest you move such activity out of the 25 solar systems currently listed and move it to any of the 7,674 other solar systems available to you.

I know that I'm not in one of the 25 solar systems, but i dont think that makes me fair game for a player who has been playing for 3 years. I still consider myself a rookie, which is why i joined a "new player friendly corporation"

Some call it griefing, I call it experience.

In all honesty, if you don't want the war DEC, stick with PvE corp for a while. Its a part of the game, and all you can really do it adapt or die.

I'll be one to say it.

- "The dont join such a corp"
- "Then log off"
- "You have no idea how hard it was in the early days of Eve"
- "If you dont like the game then leave"

There are some options you can consider before going all "omg griefing not cool so unfair"...


But first, some words you should read:
EVE is harsh. You joined a new-player friendly corp to learn the ropes of this game. It is well-known that EVE has probably the steepest learning curve of all MMORPGs around. Getting a war thrown at you is nothing new, nothing interesting, and happens all the time. It's part of the game, so better get used to it now than later.

You will make mistakes, and die. You will meet other players, and die. You will lose, and continue losing.
The trick is to always get up every time you're stricken down. Always stand up, learn to play, and don't be afraid to fight back even if the result is predictable. By fighting back, you will learn to fight back harder, better, and eventually, you will succeed.

By cowering and complaining, all you will get is a sense of failure.
You should try to be that hero that beats the odds.
You should try to accomplish victory, even if that means losing some fights at first.


I suggest you get help from a more experienced corporation.
This is a multiplayer game, so utilize the fact you're playing this game with 500,000 other players.

Sure, it will cost you ISK to hire them. But if you make a good case, I think there might be some corps around that'll help you for free and just want the additional targets that you offer to them. They might even let you fly with them in their PvP ops, so you can learn how to do it yourself.


That is EVE online. You can do so much, and all I see you doing right now is making a post on the forums, expecting the devs/GMs to help you out.
Another option is to move to another region/constellation for a while. Train up your skills, get some PvP experience, then (optionally:) return for your revenge.

EVE, for better or worse is about survival of the fittest. A relatively unknown new player friendly corp WILL be a target for those not strong enough to fight harder targets. As a very young player though you cannot lose provided you keep your clone up to date. Every bit of PVP experience is valuable - learn from the experience.

What you are going through is what many of the older players look for every day.

[quote=Dub Step]Welcome to eve.

Skillpoints aren't that important, knowledge is. Learn to deal with his particular ship and outsmart him.

Im in an Algos worth maybe 6 mil with my current fit, i have no idea how much his vagabond costs, but even if i out smart him, and out play him, he will win.. Dont be stupid, Algos with tire 1 modules versus a Vagabond is a foolish task.

Thanks for your reply, i agree with a lot of the things you say, but that part im quoting i dont agree with, at the moment i wrote the post i was online alone, and he was camping outside the spacestation, i couldnt not fight, i could not run any further away. He was just ruining my gaming time, and i dont think that is fair to new players.. "welcome to eve, if you do anything at all execpt log out right now im going to kill you"
i wrote a mail to him after he tried to trade me some garbage as a joke, im not pissed at him, i thought it was funny that he didnt take things too seriously, and i said to him "war is only war if both sides stand a equal chance of winning" this is inspired by something i heard once, i cant remember from where or who. but it is still true, he was only ganking me, or greifing as it is in eve. he was only doing it to waste my time, i have no bounty, i have nothing valuable on my ship he could take from the wreckage, so it was only to annoy, and slow down my progression, some players call it pvp, i just call it ganking.

blueball them until they get bored.
roll an alt and keep it out of any corps then you can still do stuff without having to leave your corp.

but I would consider finding a stronger corp that can defend itself or afford to hire mercs.
or simply stay in the noob systems where I believe you are untouchable by higher level players even with a wardec on.

it would be nice to hear what CCP has to say about using wardecs to bypass the restriction on shooting noobs, whether intentional or not.

As soon as you joined a player corporation, you stopped being a rookie. You told the universe "I am ready to stand with my friends against all comers rather than hide in an NPC corp."

Good luck with your future adventures, OP.

Bummer.

Sounds like you should do something about it instead of QQ'ing on forums.