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Nullsec hunter-killers, please enlighten me

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Moneta Curran
Federal Defense Union
Gallente Federation
#81 - 2013-05-09 21:49:54 UTC  |  Edited by: Moneta Curran
I recall your whines over having an industrial blown up on a low sec gate.

You seem to have the same self-serving lack of empathy that has made that Gevlon character so universally despised.
Are we going to see another one of your narcissistic rants every time you get ganked?

The ones who shot your drake certainly didn't waste time and energy on this forum over it. They won. You lose.
Tanthos
Tanthos Corp
#82 - 2013-05-09 21:52:35 UTC
It's podding that confuses me.

Blowing up other people's ships. I can see both the profit and the fun in that. But podding makes no sense. No profit. No challenge. And you can't mock them in Local once they're gone.
Skex Relbore
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#83 - 2013-05-09 22:00:38 UTC  |  Edited by: Skex Relbore
Tanthos wrote:
It's podding that confuses me.

Blowing up other people's ships. I can see both the profit and the fun in that. But podding makes no sense. No profit. No challenge. And you can't mock them in Local once they're gone.


Sure you can, see my earlier post about the guys contracting my corpse back to me. That was a nice touch that could certainly get under the skin of people like the OP. Plus it's more killboard padding particularly now that implants are included on the mails. Hell I've lost plenty of pods worth more than the ship I was riding.

In null sec it's simple. If they aren't friends you shoot them. that's all the reason one needs.
Tarro Blood
Doomheim
#84 - 2013-05-09 22:03:10 UTC
Alfred Pennyworth: [...] with respect Master Wayne, perhaps this is a man you don't fully understand either.

A long time ago, I was in Burma, my friends and I were working for the local government. They were trying to buy the loyalty of the tribal leaders by bribing them with precious stones. But their caravans were being raided in a forest north of Rangoon by a bandit. So we went looking for the stones. But in six months, we never met anyone who traded with him.

...One day I saw a child playing with a ruby the size of a tangerine. The bandit had been throwing them away.

Bruce Wayne: So why steal them?

Alfred Pennyworth: Because he thought it was good sport. Because some men aren't looking for anything logical, like money. They can't be bought, bullied, reasoned or negotiated with. Some men just want to watch the world burn.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=efHCdKb5UWc
Drachiel
Mercury LLC
#85 - 2013-05-09 22:03:34 UTC
Because space murder is fun and the thrill of the hunt is even better.
SmilingVagrant
Doomheim
#86 - 2013-05-09 22:09:25 UTC
I'm honestly thinking about hunting the OP down and killing him myself. The fact that I'm blue is merely icing on the cake.
Asmodai Xodai
#87 - 2013-05-09 22:24:45 UTC
Liam Inkuras wrote:
Many people do not try to maximize their efficiency in activities like you do, or rationally go about their business. Some people just want to watch the world burn (I don't know who said that, but I know it's a quote).


In what rapidly became a troll-fest (no surprise there - it's the internet), this is one of the best responses posted. +1 for quoting a Batman movie ("some men just want to watch the world burn").
Aidan Brooder
Dynasphere Ltd.
#88 - 2013-05-09 22:29:18 UTC
Asmodai Xodai wrote:

I lost a couple of shield extender ii's, but I have a hanger full of them so no biggie.

I lost 6 arbalest hams, but through ratting have a whole hanger full of those as well.

I'll just plug in more el 'cheapo implants, which I already have a hanger full of.



Scrooge McDuck or logistics employee?

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Jarod Garamonde
Jolly Codgers
Get Off My Lawn
#89 - 2013-05-09 22:30:24 UTC  |  Edited by: Jarod Garamonde
Marlona Sky wrote:
Skex Relbore wrote:
Get out!!!

Seriously I'd purge you for being such a whinny twit if you were in my corp.

You live in null, you rat for isk and you takes your risks. That risk is that neutrals coming through are trying to kill you. It's ok though because we're trying to kill them too so it works out. If I were out roaming hostile space I'd be as quick to kill their ratters as they are to kill ours.

I lost two Ishtars today, one stupidly to rats by forgetting to turn on my tank before warping to an anomaly then a second while I was sorting that character out and I forgot to keep an eye on intel and missed the hostile gang that came through and got me. It happens, they're not the first ratting boats I've lost they won't be the last. As long as I can make more isk than I lose then it's just the cost of doing business, if I lose more than I can make then I change activities.

But you will not see me cry about it, hell some guys got one of my ratters a few weeks back and contracted me the corpse, I sent them an evemail congratulating them on the kill and thanking them for the laugh.

Basically lighten up, it's a game it's meant to be fun it just so happens that sometimes the other guy gets to win and that means you get to lose.

You gambled, you lost, simple as that. You should have warped out the second you noticed the hostile in local, you got greedy and stuck around to finish off that BS to make that extra mill isk and that cost you your ratting ship and clone, What should you do? You chuckle about it, send them a GF in local and try to make a better choice next time. I mean you would't accuse the other team of being psychopaths if they beat you in a basketball game would you? So why are you getting all bent out of shape because they beat you at spreadsheets in space?

You do realize the OPs mentality is the standard for most null bears right? Once again proving that the most risk averse players are null bears.


To carebear in highsec is expected.
But to carebear in nullsec? I just can't hear anyone else over the sound of a true nullbear's giant steel balls clanging together....

I don't mean to encourage them, or anything.... but, seriously. Nullbears are even braver than our fellow PvP'ers...

That moment when you realize the crazy lady with all the cats was right...

    [#savethelance]
Morganta
The Greater Goon
#90 - 2013-05-09 22:36:40 UTC
people do it for a number of reasons

You're not blue

exerting control over a region or system

loot (nobody knows what sort of filling you have unless they crack the egg) and no, no one is going to fit ship or cargo scanners in null, and ratters usually pack faction or implants

KMs just because ratios & bragging rights

tears

potential extortion

booting trespassers out of the anoms and sigs

NBSI (not blue shoot it)

quite honestly heres how it appears from various points of view:

what you saw: you think they went out of their way to take personal action against you for whatever reason and deprive you of your ship and pod

what they saw: they were roaming around, saw you in local, saw wrecks on dscan and said oh hey a ratter, lets get him
they got you with the long point, killed you and your pod (without a bubble, so shame on you) looked at the KM and then said "meh.. ok lets do a few more systems then I gotta go eat"

killing you is not a thought out process, its an automatic reaction, its what you do in null
nobody is going to pop into your anom and offer to help for a cut of the loot, they are all there to kill you, because you are not blue to them
Asmodai Xodai
#91 - 2013-05-09 22:39:46 UTC
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Seriously I'd purge you for being such a whinny twit if you were in my corp.


Not sure who's post you read, but it certainly wasn't mine.

Quote:
You gambled, you lost, simple as that. You should have warped out the second you noticed the hostile in local, you got greedy and stuck around to finish off that BS to make that extra mill isk and that cost you your ratting ship and clone, What should you do? You chuckle about it, send them a GF in local and try to make a better choice next time. I mean you would't accuse the other team of being psychopaths if they beat you in a basketball game would you? So why are you getting all bent out of shape because they beat you at spreadsheets in space?


I'll say it again - I'm not sure who's posts you read, but it certainly wasn't mine. If you want to respond to anything I've written, by all means go ahead, but it would be nice if you ACTUALLY RESPONDED TO SOMETHING I'D WRITTEN, not something you imagined I wrote, or something else someone wrote on another thread.

Quote:
I'm honestly thinking about hunting the OP down and killing him myself. The fact that I'm blue is merely icing on the cake.


You don't need to hunt anything, as I already posted the information on where I will be ratting so another guy could have a go. You are more than welcome to come have a go yourself, if that's what floats your boat. I would recommend using a non-blue alt, however, as I will report blues who do this up the chain of command (assuming your corp or alliance cares about such things - they may not). If you don't have a non-blue alt, I'm sure someone you know might be willing to lend you one.
Shiho Weitong
Yeet and Yoink Inc.
Heirs To The Pleasurehub
#92 - 2013-05-09 22:44:39 UTC
SmilingVagrant wrote:
I'm honestly thinking about hunting the OP down and killing him myself. The fact that I'm blue is merely icing on the cake.


THIS!
THIS IS WHY I LOVE YOU GOONS!

@OP: Let me make it even harder to understand. Or maybe easier, depending on how you read this.

In my ~6 years of playing i never once posted a killmail. I've never dishonored a ransom. I never tricked anybody to fight me on unfair grounds.
I did however, repeatedly, blow random people out of the sky, even in highsec. I've camped the same system in Nullsec for more than a month in a stealthbomber, never docking for anything than new ships or ammo. I've spent weeks upon weeks in my onyx on nullsec warproutes. I've spent a couple of months with RvB. I've done hauling and big buisness. I've done missions for a while. I've done a ton of things. One thing I always return to though, is blowing **** up.
Cuz, you know. Asplosions are perty.

Did all this time fighting or looking for fights cost me ISK? Very probably.
Does that constitute a loss for me? Not at all.
ISK is not the goal for me, it's a tool to do whatever I want whenever I want in eve. The fact that what I wanted to do for a long time after I first started made me a crapton of ISK is just icing on the cake.
This is a game about percentages and spreadsheets for some.
It's a game of "castlebuilding" and "goldhoarding" for others.
To yet others it's a game of thrill and adventure.
Where there are people who build sand castles there will be people to kick them down.

For me personally. It's a couple of things.

It's about finding that one perfect fight.
It's about getting than one crown jewel in your collection. (I'm looking at you State Raven) (Also looking with wild envy at entity, but that seems unrelated)
It's about making that perfect call on a business opportunity.
But mostly. It's about having fun. If what I'm doing isn't enjoyable, I find something else to do.
CALUGARU
Amok.
Goonswarm Federation
#93 - 2013-05-09 22:45:12 UTC
we do it because we love when pubbies make stupid threads in eveo forums asking stupid questions or crying about losing ships.
thanks. Twisted

u jelleh
Jarod Garamonde
Jolly Codgers
Get Off My Lawn
#94 - 2013-05-09 22:46:47 UTC  |  Edited by: Jarod Garamonde
CALUGARU wrote:
we do it because we love when pubbies make stupid threads in eveo forums asking stupid questions or crying about losing ships.
thanks. Twisted


No rager can possibly be anywhere near as legendary as that "why you violence my boat?!" guy...

That moment when you realize the crazy lady with all the cats was right...

    [#savethelance]
Asmodai Xodai
#95 - 2013-05-09 22:51:48 UTC  |  Edited by: Asmodai Xodai
Quote:

To carebear in highsec is expected.
But to carebear in nullsec? I just can't hear anyone else over the sound of a true nullbear's giant steel balls clanging together....


I don't get it. Are you saying that ratting an anomaly is 'carebear' activity? Every single high-end PvP'er I know does it.

Or is the term 'carebear' just a generic pejorative thrown around whenever you read a post you don't happen to like for whatever reason?

Quote:
what you saw: you think they went out of their way to take personal action against you for whatever reason and deprive you of your ship and pod


I keep reading this sort of thing in people's responses. I never once said, or implied, that it was personal. In fact, I don't think it was personal at all. They didn't even know me.

I just figured it was a couple of guys who do this as a routine, cruising around on non-allied turf searching for ratters to blow up. My question was simply why bother? Are they getting bounty ISK? Are they making more ISK looting the wrecks than they would be doing something else? They answers seem to be 'no' and 'no.'

But my point to you is simply that people keep reading stuff into what I wrote that I never in fact wrote. I don't understand that. For me it is a relatively easy task to read what someone wrote, and understand it exactly as written. It seems most people here can't do that, or this place is infested with pretty bad trolls.
Super spikinator
Hegemonous Conscripts
#96 - 2013-05-09 22:53:30 UTC
Tanthos wrote:
It's podding that confuses me.

Blowing up other people's ships. I can see both the profit and the fun in that. But podding makes no sense. No profit. No challenge. And you can't mock them in Local once they're gone.


They were trying to be helpful. They were sending him back to his clone where he could refit and get out there and start out immediately again rather than making jump after jump.

Asmodai, what you are doing now is the icing on the cake. They found you, destroyed your ship, made you ride the pod express and you posted about it in a rant on the forums. The only way this could be any more perfect is if you mailed them as well.

As to why? In this game you only need to make enough isk to do the things you enjoy. Anything after that isn't efficient. These people were on a roam, they saw a ratting drake and took a gamble on whether it would have friends or expensive mods. There is no inspect in this game (unless you can get scanners on them but that requires them to sit still rather than run), so everything is as is, all guess work. This time they would of lucked out. By your own admission you had no expensive mods or augments. Then instead of keeping it quiet and moving on, you came on the forums and made a long winded I didn't want/need that ship anyway thread. Then you started answering the thread, making the same incorrect assumptions again and again.

I skipped breakfast for this. You would probably think this is :inefficient:, I think it was well worth the cost.
Seven Koskanaiken
Shadow Legions.
SONS of BANE
#97 - 2013-05-09 23:02:21 UTC
Powers Sa
#98 - 2013-05-09 23:06:10 UTC
Look, I understand you associated with a group of players that are largely developers/coders/programmers for other things and you look at things as efficient. So let me put this into terms that you might respect.

Back in the day, pirates would hunt for buried treasure, interdict ships, extort, ransom, plunder. Most of the time, it wasn't an efficient use of their time, especially hunting for buried treasure.

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Morganta
The Greater Goon
#99 - 2013-05-09 23:10:11 UTC  |  Edited by: Morganta
and about the podding?
you got podded because you let it happen

simple as that
unless there's a bubble on you there is absolutely NO reason whatsoever to lose a pod in null

heres a question for the OP
did you shoot back?

you should have been able to welp at least one of those guys in a drake, that is if you fired on them instead of shaking you fist at the heavens while shrieking "WHY????"

but even if you didn't shoot, you had no chance, you were dead the moment they landed and you were still on grid.
this means you had tons of time to pick a celestial and get ready to get your pod out.
but you were busy doing what????

motivations aside you were flying stupidly and got what you deserved
Praetor Meles
Black Mount Industrial
Breakpoint.
#100 - 2013-05-09 23:10:46 UTC
I felt my soul slowly dying as I read this thread. And yet, I was strangely compelled to read on.

You lost a Drake? And asked why? Okay dokey...

I lost an Atron yesterday. I demand to know why the dude that did me in on that gate as I acted like a distracted plonker did it. Demand, I tell you. Just curious, likes. These are not tears. *sob*

[insert random rubbish that irritates you personally] is further evidence that Eve is dying/thriving*

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