Player Features and Ideas Discussion

These have a use in PVP, and you'll be killing some emergent gameplay mechanics that have been in use, by my alliance at least.

- When conducting highsec ganking, or trying to scan down larger ships running missions, we will often employ deep space probes. Why? People do not realize these can scan down ships, thus, they do not panic when they see them on d-scan. This is a common tactic for scanning down large(er) battleships running lowsec missions, or scanning down miners in highsec for suicide ganking. they will often dock up if they see combat probes, but stay out if we use DSP's.

- they can be used by an advance scout to pop out one, and run a single cycle scan of larger systems to see if any ships are present in the system. this lets an FC quickly decide if a system can be skipped / moved through, or if he would like to have the scout spend a little time warping around or popping out combat probes and doing a more thorough search of the system.

- The Swift and Bitter Deep Space Probe Exploration Guide has helped plex runners speed up the rate at which they can identify and scan down the plexes they want to run for a long time now. this is a common tool used by many people to waste less time scanning down sites and increase their overall isk/hr. Link: http://swiftandbitter.com/eve/dsp/

The above three points, while not 'game changing' are examples of emergent gameplay mechanics established for a long time now, and used by many players. They add to the depth and complexity of this game, and are all useful.

I would ask CCP reconsider their decision to remove DSP's given the above examples of their (unintended?) use.

+1 I agree

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Makes exploration a lot less tedious as you can at least rule out a bunch of sigs. Agree on the doesn't freak people out as much as seeing combat probes on scan as well. This works on small WH corps sometimes as well as in highsec.

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this probe redo...not sure from what trashcan they pulled it out from but it needs to go back there.

Losing these probes, and the skill level needed to run this is not even getting reimbursed. Only needed for this item and covert portal generator. And unless sales have shot up....at one point in time there were more titans than blops on the server.

I would say more skill was good for more probes but ccp said you really didn't want 8 probes, did you?

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Since when are DSPs being removed?

14 days wasted on training for deep space :D

If anything was explicitly stated, then I missed it as well. First thing I noticed about it was when my DSPs were removed from Sisi and replac with vanilla core probes.

I guess the devs, who likely never scan anything outside of internal testing, feel that the new Scanning for Dummies system scanner replaces the functionality of DSPs for the majority of people (who weren't using them creatively) and so they can simply go. I personally haven't noticed this, but then, SiSi k-space is kind of a joke for getting a full range of scanning results anyway, and I didn't have an alt logged off down a WH for the last mirror.

So everyone realizes the "drop a single probe" convenience is a non-issue due to now being able to launch seven at once, right?

Lord I remember how much time I spent training up Deep Space Probes. Was in a C4 wormhole at the time, and scanning down anoms in the connecting C3 SUCKED without the Deep Space Probe.

It helps.. especially when there are 25 anom's to scan down. I want to go have fun, not scan down every site...

They have not given a Reason for actually removing the Deep Space Probe. Please do not. You'd just **** off a bunch of people.