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CCP Focuses on EVE Universe - A CCP Announcement

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Helena Russell Makanen
DRRUSSEL
#321 - 2011-10-19 20:47:21 UTC
Peregrinus Falco wrote:
To those who will no longer be with CCP, all the best and we'll pray for you to land on your feet fast.

To CCP: thank you for making the though call. Focus is something I've been hoping for and I'm glad to see that you don't shy away (too much) from making the right decision, no matter how tough. I've felt for a while now that CCP was growing the employee base too quickly.



Anyone else notice how very often the 'I support CCP in this!!!' posters are making their first post ever? CCP Alt damage control again?

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Miilla
Hulkageddon Orphanage
#322 - 2011-10-19 20:49:35 UTC
Welcome to the world.. of the real.
Flamewave
Crimson Moon Society
#323 - 2011-10-19 20:50:40 UTC
Josefius wrote:
Why do they call it "Human Resources"?

Because they clearly are. However, the human resource is being reduced in this case, which is my whole point. By reducing the human resource you're not actually freeing up the resource that directly does work for the company, just the monetary resource. There's no sign in CCP's news post that the money they save in doing this will go to development - the money itself can't develop, it's used to hire people, human resources, who can.

The whole point of my original post is that the allocation of human resource wasn't stretched thin - the money was - so "resources" being plural was, in a way, silly. Smile However reducing the workforce thusly would stretch it thin, and the only solution for that is reduced workload. So I can see where I would be misinterpreted, and I'm sorry if I have been.

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Josefius
13th Tribe of Kobol Expeditionary
#324 - 2011-10-19 20:50:40 UTC
Is John Turbefield and CCP Soundwave still around? What's their status?

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Magnus Orin
SUNDERING
Goonswarm Federation
#325 - 2011-10-19 20:50:43 UTC
Helena Russell Makanen wrote:
Peregrinus Falco wrote:
To those who will no longer be with CCP, all the best and we'll pray for you to land on your feet fast.

To CCP: thank you for making the though call. Focus is something I've been hoping for and I'm glad to see that you don't shy away (too much) from making the right decision, no matter how tough. I've felt for a while now that CCP was growing the employee base too quickly.



Anyone else notice how very often the 'I support CCP in this!!!' posters are making their first post ever? CCP Alt damage control again?


I support CCP in this. I don't see why anyone who cares a shred about this game doesn't.

Would you rather we go back to CCP paying more people to develop WoD and DUST than Eve?
Renan Ruivo
Forcas armadas
Brave Collective
#326 - 2011-10-19 20:51:08 UTC  |  Edited by: Renan Ruivo
Kumq uat wrote:
seany1212 wrote:
I am one of those that doesnt really care, i hope that the ones fired were the ones that openly neglected the community when we were calling for change rather than those unaware. For months if not years the community has outlined problems within the game and while usually its a small minority crying about a tiny detail within the game, when its the whole community in uproar then someone within CCP should be rallying around saying clearly theres a problem with the game rather than waiting until subs start dropping and they have to end up firing people due to cash flow. As i said before i hope its those who refused initially to listen than the ones just caught in the crossfire. CCP reaps what it sows Roll



I know some of them personally and you know nothing of what you are talking about.


Actually those that have been fired have been outlining the problems we speak of for the years you mentioned. Problem is that Hillmar wouldn't listen, and he himself has admited as much.

The world is a community of idiots doing a series of things until it explodes and we all die.
Grey Stormshadow
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#327 - 2011-10-19 20:52:26 UTC
I'll quote myself and post this to this thread also as I strongly believe that the increasing "hostile" comments are not helping anyone atm...
myself wrote:
When you take 1 guy out of every 5 guys, you can not pick "only" the ones who no one will never miss.

What comes to selection procedure and reasoning... We may not agree, but honestly - who can say they posses enough information to make this kind of difficult decisions better than people who work in the actual company.

This is sad day for many, blame games or finger pointing will not change that. When people are laid off, people who we know and like will vanish. That is what cutbacks are about. They are not pretty.

When people get laid off, they easily start to blame themselves, even in situations like this, they are just victims of some bad corporate decisions and global recession. Showing support to the people who are leaving and thanking them about past years is something they surely appreciate.

This is not end of world for anyone. There is always tomorrow. It may be better than this day, even today it can be hard to imagine.

...and yes - I will miss the community devs and their posts also. I have hard time understanding why Penn got sacked. However I'm not the right guy to judge about the reasoning why they were "on the list". I can only thank them about the years and hope that they find new work sooner rather than later. Remaining stuff can be only sorted out inside the company and is part of their private lives.

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MotherMoon
Tribal Liberation Force
Minmatar Republic
#328 - 2011-10-19 20:52:32 UTC
Magnus Orin wrote:
Helena Russell Makanen wrote:
Peregrinus Falco wrote:
To those who will no longer be with CCP, all the best and we'll pray for you to land on your feet fast.

To CCP: thank you for making the though call. Focus is something I've been hoping for and I'm glad to see that you don't shy away (too much) from making the right decision, no matter how tough. I've felt for a while now that CCP was growing the employee base too quickly.



Anyone else notice how very often the 'I support CCP in this!!!' posters are making their first post ever? CCP Alt damage control again?


I support CCP in this. I don't see why anyone who cares a shred about this game doesn't.

Would you rather we go back to CCP paying more people to develop WoD and DUST than Eve?


no we want CCP to have a community team for EVE ONLINE. beause as of right now they seem to be getting rid of the community team.

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Josefius
13th Tribe of Kobol Expeditionary
#329 - 2011-10-19 20:52:47 UTC
Flamewave wrote:
Josefius wrote:
Why do they call it "Human Resources"?

Because they clearly are. However, the human resource is being reduced in this case, which is my whole point. By reducing the human resource you're not actually freeing up the resource that directly does work for the company, just the monetary resource. There's no sign in CCP's news post that the money they save in doing this will go to development - the money itself can't develop, it's used to hire people, human resources, who can.

The whole point of my original post is that the allocation of human resource wasn't stretched thin - the money was - so "resources" being plural was, in a way, silly. Smile However reducing the workforce thusly would stretch it thin, and the only solution for that is reduced workload. So I can see where I would be misinterpreted, and I'm sorry if I have been.



Thank you for enlightening me, I appreciate your point of view.

You have enemies? Good, that means you stood up for something, sometime in your life.

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Kengutsi Akira
Doomheim
#330 - 2011-10-19 20:53:24 UTC
Hey check it out; they fired the ppl that were actually... you know... communicating with us.

brilliant guys

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Yes
Renan Ruivo
Forcas armadas
Brave Collective
#331 - 2011-10-19 20:54:19 UTC
Grey Stormshadow wrote:
I'll quote myself and post this to this thread also as I strongly believe that the increasing "hostile" comments are not helping anyone atm...
myself wrote:
When you take 1 guy out of every 5 guys, you can not pick "only" the ones who no one will never miss.

What comes to selection procedure and reasoning... We may not agree, but honestly - who can say they posses enough information to make this kind of difficult decisions better than people who work in the actual company.

This is sad day for many, blame games or finger pointing will not change that. When people are laid off, people who we know and like will vanish. That is what cutbacks are about. They are not pretty.

When people get laid off, they easily start to blame themselves, even in situations like this, they are just victims of some bad corporate decisions and global recession. Showing support to the people who are leaving and thanking them about past years is something they surely appreciate.

This is not end of world for anyone. There is always tomorrow. It may be better than this day, even today it can be hard to imagine.

...and yes - I will miss the community devs and their posts also. I have hard time understanding why Penn got sacked. However I'm not the right guy to judge about the reasoning why they were "on the list". I can only thank them about the years and hope that they find new work sooner rather than later. Remaining stuff can be only sorted out inside the company and is part of their private lives.


Got sacked because she worked from the branch office.

The world is a community of idiots doing a series of things until it explodes and we all die.
Magnus Orin
SUNDERING
Goonswarm Federation
#332 - 2011-10-19 20:55:41 UTC
Flamewave wrote:
Josefius wrote:
Why do they call it "Human Resources"?

Because they clearly are. However, the human resource is being reduced in this case, which is my whole point. By reducing the human resource you're not actually freeing up the resource that directly does work for the company, just the monetary resource.


Are you daft?

You lay people off. As you can see they are laying off people not directly involved with FiS (community staff, and WoD staff).

Use the reduced expenses to balance your budget. CCP needs to sort its **** to maintain profitability (or regain it).

You refocus on your key direction with the resources you have left, put out good **** (Winter Expansion).

If your customers are happy, and subs grow, you hire more staff to iterate on your ****.

SO YES THEY ARE FREEING UP THE RESOURCES THAT MATTER.
Laechyd Eldgorn
Avanto
Hole Control
#333 - 2011-10-19 20:56:40 UTC
http://www.shacknews.com/article/56827/report-world-of-darkness-mmo

mmm... wod, still in development. doesn't require einstein to figure out something went wrong with finances i guess.

also dust, fps shooter on console platform, what could go wrong. hehe.

anyhow pleased to see real working game aka eve getting more attention, at least on paper. because that's what i am paying for.
Mr Epeen
It's All About Me
#334 - 2011-10-19 20:57:06 UTC  |  Edited by: Mr Epeen
Helena Russell Makanen wrote:
Peregrinus Falco wrote:
To those who will no longer be with CCP, all the best and we'll pray for you to land on your feet fast.

To CCP: thank you for making the though call. Focus is something I've been hoping for and I'm glad to see that you don't shy away (too much) from making the right decision, no matter how tough. I've felt for a while now that CCP was growing the employee base too quickly.



Anyone else notice how very often the 'I support CCP in this!!!' posters are making their first post ever? CCP Alt damage control again?


Funny that you picked up on that and completely missed all the ranters blasting CCP posting for the first time in this thread.

FUD, anyone?

Mr Epeen Cool
Ten Bulls
Sons of Olsagard
#335 - 2011-10-19 21:00:17 UTC
Kabaos wrote:

"A Jack of all trades is master of none"


But what do you think that statement means... is it better to be a specialist or not ?

I think society is like a cricket team, all-rounders arent the best batters, or bowlers, but without them the team is vulnerable.

All-rounders (generalists) are like glue that bind the specialists together.

The normals really deserve more respect than they get.
Covert Kitty
SRS Industries
#336 - 2011-10-19 21:00:30 UTC
Quote:
I hope all you FiS crybabys are happy now, you've lost real people their jobs

Hopefully a good first step, though I'm not going to be happy until I see some results. I don't pay CCP to develop WoD or Dust, I pay them to develop EvE.

So either this is the right move by CCP, and Eve is improved. Or it's not and I'll be back shooting the statues this January and canceling accounts. As far as I care this cycle can continue until either Eve is saved, or dies completely.
Magnus Orin
SUNDERING
Goonswarm Federation
#337 - 2011-10-19 21:01:47 UTC
MotherMoon wrote:
Magnus Orin wrote:
Helena Russell Makanen wrote:
Peregrinus Falco wrote:
To those who will no longer be with CCP, all the best and we'll pray for you to land on your feet fast.

To CCP: thank you for making the though call. Focus is something I've been hoping for and I'm glad to see that you don't shy away (too much) from making the right decision, no matter how tough. I've felt for a while now that CCP was growing the employee base too quickly.



Anyone else notice how very often the 'I support CCP in this!!!' posters are making their first post ever? CCP Alt damage control again?


I support CCP in this. I don't see why anyone who cares a shred about this game doesn't.

Would you rather we go back to CCP paying more people to develop WoD and DUST than Eve?


no we want CCP to have a community team for EVE ONLINE. beause as of right now they seem to be getting rid of the community team.


Only a minority of players use the forums. You'd rather CCP allocate resources to the minority of players rather than spend it on actual gameplay. GTFO.
Zeomebuch Nova
Undrinkable Grog Inc.
#338 - 2011-10-19 21:03:35 UTC
Brit Green wrote:
I'm not without sympathy for these folks, but part of their job was to keep the rabble under control. They failed at this. When you don't perform your job, you lose it. That's the way these things work.



I will contract you to keep a white, rich, 15 years old nerdy intact in his way through a 5km long ghetto. This all will happen once it's enough dark, just because i enjoy making cretinous decisions. Your hands are your only tools. Don't blame me if you fail doing your job, which I, as your employer, know pretty well you will.
Midge Mo'yb
State War Academy
Caldari State
#339 - 2011-10-19 21:04:17 UTC
Magnus Orin wrote:
MotherMoon wrote:
Magnus Orin wrote:
Helena Russell Makanen wrote:
Peregrinus Falco wrote:
To those who will no longer be with CCP, all the best and we'll pray for you to land on your feet fast.

To CCP: thank you for making the though call. Focus is something I've been hoping for and I'm glad to see that you don't shy away (too much) from making the right decision, no matter how tough. I've felt for a while now that CCP was growing the employee base too quickly.



Anyone else notice how very often the 'I support CCP in this!!!' posters are making their first post ever? CCP Alt damage control again?


I support CCP in this. I don't see why anyone who cares a shred about this game doesn't.

Would you rather we go back to CCP paying more people to develop WoD and DUST than Eve?


no we want CCP to have a community team for EVE ONLINE. beause as of right now they seem to be getting rid of the community team.


Only a minority of players use the forums. You'd rather CCP allocate resources to the minority of players rather than spend it on actual gameplay. GTFO.


whie i will miss the community team for just keeping us in the loop.

i do hope this is the resurgence of the devs freely posting, and throwing ideas and stuff around like YE OLDE DAYS
ACY GTMI
Veerhouven Group
#340 - 2011-10-19 21:04:22 UTC
Inficant wrote:
ACY GTMI wrote:
If it's an 'expansion', it isn't about fixing anything. It's kind of in the definition of the term.


When you have quarterly expansions the lines for what goes in an expansion and what doesn't are blurred. Eve's expansions have always had features *and* fixes. Sometimes more of one than the other.


I didn't think there was any possibility of a misunderstanding. More fool me.

How about this? "For the Winter Whatever, I suggest you use your resources to fix what is already broken rather than adding more broken stuff."

Case in point, the Forum Post button.