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Discovery Scanner = WH Instant intel?
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Van Kuzco
Perkone
Caldari State
#1 - 2013-05-09 02:10:48 UTC  |  Edited by: Van Kuzco
I just installed Singularity to test out the new Discovery Scanner and I had a few questions.

The Discovery Scanner shows signatures as well as anomalies. I was wondering if this was instant or if there is a delay from a new signature spawning and it appearing on the scanner.

If it is instant I think that would take a huge element of mystery out of wormholes. One of the biggest draws is that you never know who could be possibly watching you, even if you have all of your statics and incoming holes picketed, since there's a chance that someone can just open up into you. I think it would be a great idea if CCP put in a delay (an hour or so) from signatures appearing on the Discovery Scanner so people who are actively scanning with probes still have the advantage over those who are passively scanning with the Discovery Scanner.
Akali Kuvakei
Imperial Shipment
Amarr Empire
#2 - 2013-05-09 04:57:19 UTC
No
James Amril-Kesh
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#3 - 2013-05-09 05:01:52 UTC
The location shown in the scanner can be wildly different from the actual location of the signature. It's an approximation which probably gets better with signal strength.

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Van Kuzco
Perkone
Caldari State
#4 - 2013-05-09 06:48:14 UTC
Akali Kuvakei wrote:
No


That's good to hear. Has anyone figured out what the delay is?

James Amril-Kesh wrote:
The location shown in the scanner can be wildly different from the actual location of the signature. It's an approximation which probably gets better with signal strength.


Yeah I noticed that when I was scanning a few things down. Although my issue wasn't with how accurate the location is, but rather if it showed up instantly.
Roime
Mea Culpa.
Shadow Cartel
#5 - 2013-05-09 07:41:09 UTC
Van Kuzco wrote:
I just installed Singularity to test out the new Discovery Scanner and I had a few questions.

The Discovery Scanner shows signatures as well as anomalies. I was wondering if this was instant or if there is a delay from a new signature spawning and it appearing on the scanner.

If it is instant I think that would take a huge element of mystery out of wormholes. One of the biggest draws is that you never know who could be possibly watching you, even if you have all of your statics and incoming holes picketed, since there's a chance that someone can just open up into you. I think it would be a great idea if CCP put in a delay (an hour or so) from signatures appearing on the Discovery Scanner so people who are actively scanning with probes still have the advantage over those who are passively scanning with the Discovery Scanner.


There is no such mystery in wormholes, everyone has probes out and new signature will be noticed immediately.

Discovery Scanner changes nothing in this regard, and people will still use probes, because the discovery scanner is just an extra step for finding out sigs.



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Marcus Druallis
Northstar Cabal
#6 - 2013-05-09 10:37:51 UTC
But the difference with the discovery scanner is it seems that it can be used similar to the directional scanner to search for threats.You would be able to spam the scanner, and at the instant a new wh sig shows up, warp to safety, no?
Van Kuzco
Perkone
Caldari State
#7 - 2013-05-09 10:41:44 UTC
Marcus Druallis wrote:
But the difference with the discovery scanner is it seems that it can be used similar to the directional scanner to search for threats.You would be able to spam the scanner, and at the instant a new wh sig shows up, warp to safety, no?


And that it can be set to repeat also I believe. Seems like it's making everything too safe in wormholes.
Arduemont
Rotten Legion
#8 - 2013-05-09 11:09:40 UTC  |  Edited by: Arduemont
I don't think the scanner is working on Singularity as it will in the final version. At least I hope not. I like the idea of being able to activate your scanner just from your hud and see the results visually. But it runs automatically every time you undock or jump into system. Don't get me wrong the effect looks nice, but it will get boring very quickly like that.

And besides people should have to consciously make the decision to activate the scan, not have it spoon fed to them every time they undock/ come through a gate.

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Roime
Mea Culpa.
Shadow Cartel
#9 - 2013-05-09 11:16:33 UTC
Marcus Druallis wrote:
But the difference with the discovery scanner is it seems that it can be used similar to the directional scanner to search for threats.You would be able to spam the scanner, and at the instant a new wh sig shows up, warp to safety, no?


What's the difference to cycling your probes? You'll see new sigs, ships and with a wider range than dscan.

With probes you can instantly start probing the new sig, and instead warping to safety you can warp to the new wh.

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Van Kuzco
Perkone
Caldari State
#10 - 2013-05-09 11:38:38 UTC
Roime wrote:
Marcus Druallis wrote:
But the difference with the discovery scanner is it seems that it can be used similar to the directional scanner to search for threats.You would be able to spam the scanner, and at the instant a new wh sig shows up, warp to safety, no?


What's the difference to cycling your probes? You'll see new sigs, ships and with a wider range than dscan.

With probes you can instantly start probing the new sig, and instead warping to safety you can warp to the new wh.



With cycling probes you need to:

A: Have a probe launcher on your ship or be forced to use an alt
B: Make sure you have full coverage on the hole if you dont have DSPs
C: Click the scan button on your main and alt every 10 or so seconds (which may be harder if you have a limited number of screens)

But with the new Discovery Scanner you don't need to do any of that. You don't need Astrometrics V, you don't need an alt, you don't need to press any buttons. Instead of working for real time intel using a variety of methods/characters it is now just handed to you on your screen. You may think this is tedious, but in all honesty, perfect real time intel should be tedious to acquire.

The Discovery Scanner as it is now will lead to an overall safer experience for WH residents, and screw everything about that.
Marcus Druallis
Northstar Cabal
#11 - 2013-05-09 11:47:01 UTC
Van Kuzco wrote:
Roime wrote:
Marcus Druallis wrote:
But the difference with the discovery scanner is it seems that it can be used similar to the directional scanner to search for threats.You would be able to spam the scanner, and at the instant a new wh sig shows up, warp to safety, no?


What's the difference to cycling your probes? You'll see new sigs, ships and with a wider range than dscan.

With probes you can instantly start probing the new sig, and instead warping to safety you can warp to the new wh.



With cycling probes you need to:

A: Have a probe launcher on your ship or be forced to use an alt
B: Make sure you have full coverage on the hole if you dont have DSPs
C: Click the scan button on your main and alt every 10 or so seconds (which may be harder if you have a limited number of screens)

But with the new Discovery Scanner you don't need to do any of that. You don't need Astrometrics V, you don't need an alt, you don't need to press any buttons. Instead of working for real time intel using a variety of methods/characters it is now just handed to you on your screen. You may think this is tedious, but in all honesty, perfect real time intel should be tedious to acquire.

The Discovery Scanner as it is now will lead to an overall safer experience for WH residents, and screw everything about that.


What this guy said. It's a real shame that one of the freshest, most fun areas of EVE is quickly losing the one factor that made it interesting: the unknown.
Roime
Mea Culpa.
Shadow Cartel
#12 - 2013-05-09 11:56:32 UTC
Van Kuzco wrote:


With cycling probes you need to:

A: Have a probe launcher on your ship or be forced to use an alt
B: Make sure you have full coverage on the hole if you dont have DSPs
C: Click the scan button on your main and alt every 10 or so seconds (which may be harder if you have a limited number of screens)


A) Implying anyone would be in a wormhole without probe launcher, or scouts in fleet, this is not going to change
B) So?
C) 5 seconds, and it's easy to do with just one screen. I agree if the Discovery scanner is automatic, it is easier.

Quote:
The Discovery Scanner as it is now will lead to an overall safer experience for WH residents, and screw everything about that.


Easier, safety is not changing at all.

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Roime
Mea Culpa.
Shadow Cartel
#13 - 2013-05-09 12:00:47 UTC
As a side note, corp bookmarks made WH space safer and easier, and downtime sig name change made things a lot easier. Discovery Scanner is not significant compared to these.

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Rengerel en Distel
#14 - 2013-05-09 12:47:23 UTC
They have a feedback thread in the test forum, perhaps you can give your feedback there ...

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Van Kuzco
Perkone
Caldari State
#15 - 2013-05-09 18:07:49 UTC
Roime wrote:

A) Implying anyone would be in a wormhole without probe launcher, or scouts in fleet, this is not going to change
B) So?
C) 5 seconds, and it's easy to do with just one screen. I agree if the Discovery scanner is automatic, it is easier.


Let me ask you in all the times you jumped into someone's wormhole and ended up killing them, what's the percentage of times that they had probes out already on dscan?
Anton Menges Saddat
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#16 - 2013-05-09 18:15:46 UTC
James Amril-Kesh wrote:
The location shown in the scanner can be wildly different from the actual location of the signature. It's an approximation which probably gets better with signal strength.

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Unsuccessful At Everything
The Troll Bridge
#17 - 2013-05-09 19:03:56 UTC
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Draqone an'Alreigh
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#18 - 2013-05-09 19:08:28 UTC
But.... wouldn't the new probe setup thingybob also make it easier/faster to scan down ships? (not a WH resident)

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Rebecha Pucontis
Doomheim
#19 - 2013-05-09 19:55:34 UTC
Roime wrote:
Van Kuzco wrote:
I just installed Singularity to test out the new Discovery Scanner and I had a few questions.

The Discovery Scanner shows signatures as well as anomalies. I was wondering if this was instant or if there is a delay from a new signature spawning and it appearing on the scanner.

If it is instant I think that would take a huge element of mystery out of wormholes. One of the biggest draws is that you never know who could be possibly watching you, even if you have all of your statics and incoming holes picketed, since there's a chance that someone can just open up into you. I think it would be a great idea if CCP put in a delay (an hour or so) from signatures appearing on the Discovery Scanner so people who are actively scanning with probes still have the advantage over those who are passively scanning with the Discovery Scanner.


There is no such mystery in wormholes, everyone has probes out and new signature will be noticed immediately.

Discovery Scanner changes nothing in this regard, and people will still use probes, because the discovery scanner is just an extra step for finding out sigs.


Obviously someone who doesnt understand WHs. As the OP mentioned K162s will open only when the people on the other side jump through for the first time. The discovery scanner will pick this up instantly now, so is much more effective than having to setup probes to discover new signatures which appear.

I don't think it will make too much difference though as once the possible enemies have jumped through you won't have much time to react or close the WH anyway. So in essence, I wouldn't worry about it OP.
Vincent Athena
Photosynth
#20 - 2013-05-09 20:03:26 UTC
Van Kuzco wrote:
Marcus Druallis wrote:
But the difference with the discovery scanner is it seems that it can be used similar to the directional scanner to search for threats.You would be able to spam the scanner, and at the instant a new wh sig shows up, warp to safety, no?


And that it can be set to repeat also I believe. Seems like it's making everything too safe in wormholes.

Except probes are not needed to find grav sites. So having the sigs show up with the discovery scanner is actually a balancing change.

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