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Issues

I logged in while in space. The scanner did run. I saw no sites in space. But when I opened the scanner there were some shown in the list.

If I have the system scanner open and jump, upon arriving in the new system the list does not populate despite sites showing in space. I got to close and open it to get the list to populate.

Signatures do not show on the list at all.

The list columns cannot be re-sized.

Note: If you get rid of the list players will start keeping their own lists on a piece of paper. That way as you look around you can write down the identifier of each site, and reference the list as you go to insure you get them all. If players do start using pencil and paper to keep track of in-game information, will you consider the feature to be a success?

When I went to the solar system map there was a line extending from my ship through the sun and out the the other side extending away from the sun to a distance equal to my distance from the sun.

I launched a probe focus formation. I wanted to resize the range but their size in the list did not change. I had to hit "analyze" to see the new size. We need to see the size when we change it, not after we set it wrong.

Warning to everyone: When moving probes the function of "shift" has been reversed. Holding it down allows you to move one probe. No shift held down: you move or resize them all.

Results should have an info pane, imo.

This would be an obvious feature for new players, make use of more graphical presentation, could be hidden for people not wanting to use it, and would not clutter up the overview.


Also, system scan sweeps can done in a pod. Not sure if intended.

It would be nice if after you log in it remembered weather or not you had it set to perma run.

I guess whoever came up with this one, hardly every used the old system tbh. Or has ever set foot in a wormhole ;).

The overlay is awesome looking and sounding and adds even more sci fi feel.

There is no reason to have convoluted tools, the best scanners can get their probes into the formations they need in seconds anyway, just now 95% of us can use the various types of scanners without having to watch 15 tutorial videos and learning a whole bunch of mathy stuff. People who are practiced will still be faster than noobs anyways.

But about the overlay, The only problem i have with it is having to scan the sky looking for the icons that represent the places i'd like to go. With the Old system scanner i have a list and i just read the list. Its boring but i can see everything in less than a second. With the overlay i have to slowly pan the camera around in a search pattern to find the anomalies or signatures. It gets more complicated when the icon colors match the background nebula colors, like in minmatar or gallente space.

I was thinking you could just have the icons kind of hug the edge of the screen when not directly on it, but that might be a bit cluttery. As long as you could toggle them off when you arent interested it should be fine.

I enjoy the skybox and such for basic ship scanner anoms. But I think it should not show the anoms that you would normally have to use probes to even take a look at. I know it just shows a rough location and nothing else, but it removes a big part of the scanning process.

Enter system.
Warp to safe/unsafe.
Drop Probe/probes.
Cloak/align.
Scan for sigs.

That whole process is now removed just by showing the sigs that are in system through that system scan when you enter system.

Sure it removes a bit of the hassle but it also removes a lot of risk since now you don't have to risk it just to check if there are sigs in system.

I believe for now it should only show the things that you can find now through the ship scanner without probes.

I'd like to see how this could be elaborated on to show pings of ships.

Maybe even to replace local eventually (yes I said it)

The in-space "signatures" are insanely large compared to other in-space items (planets, belts, etc...) and so are their tooltips, please reduce the size of both.

Signature tooltips should instantly hide when I click somewhere else. They should also try to avoid overlaying other items in space, perhaps displaying on the opposite side of the signature, although this wouldn't be that much of an issue if they instantly hid.

Having "probe-able" signatures show up in the scan definitely seems to be an "easy-mode" feature. It will be much easier to pinpoint and probe down those items, and it makes exploration trivial since you can simply warp into a system to see what's available.

As many others have said, please do not remove the signature list if at all possible, it is quite useful.

I like it!

I agree with additional/consistant settings (ideally persisted server-side per-character):
- [checkbox] Continuously scan? If un-checked, the on-board scanner to trigger it would be required.
- [checkbox] Automatically scan when entering a system?
- [checkbox] Show full scan graphics? If un-checked either no sweep graphics, or reduced.



+1 for updating the overlay dynamically
+1 for fixing the regression.

IMO it seems odd that my ships on-board computer wouldn't remember ALL of the sigs, (even if they aren't 100%), but I can understand balance >> reality for this.



+1.

Disclaimer before I get nasty: I think this is cool and about 80% of the way to being an AWESOME feature.

There are some issues in how it works and some issues CCP needs to think about.

1. The animation does get old, and as a w-space resident I'm going to have it going constantly. It would be nice if I could get the info without the perpetual sweep effect. It started to make me a little motion-sick after a while, and I'm not particularly prone to motion sickness.

2. The list is a tricky issue, but we should have one for the reasons that everyone has already said. We NEED a list for anoms, as the old onboard scanner gave us. I'm torn as to whether the list should include the sigs as well, because on one hand it makes constructing a signature list very convenient (and yes this matters a lot in w-space) but on the other hand it makes it in some ways too convenient, especially with the sig-naming-convention thing where sigs that spawn after DT have noticeably different letter codes. Also see (3)

3. Updating and sigwatch and ganks. This is going to be long, but I implore you to read it.

Right now, one of the primary methods of finding PvP in W-space is to chain-roll your static. This finds you PvP in two critical ways:

a. You cycle through many systems very rapidly, so if a system is dead you don't have to waste time scanning your way down a chain to find something that may or may not be there.

b. Your prey may not notice that you have opened into their system, giving you a crucial element of surprise. The primary mechanics of w-space rotate around denial of intel. No local, dscan dependance, etc. The ideal way (from an attacker's perspective) for someone to notice your presence in a w-space system is when you tackle them as the fleet lands. Ideally, they shouldn't even know that your wormhole is in their system until they've already been podded.

As the overlay is right now, in the current sisi build, (b) still works most of the time. Sure, if they happen to see it spawn in space that's annoying, but they have to have the camera pointing at it or notice that it's new and stuff. It makes it easier for someone who is vigilant, but someone who isn't will probably get caught all the same. Fine. It will probably cost us maybe one out of three surprise attacks and that's not ideal, but I can see the logic and I'm willing to accept that someone will occasionally see us coming by sheer dumb luck.

Potential problem 1: The list. If the list produced by the continuous scan includes signatures, then it will be VERY easy to spot a new one. Just ignoring all existing signatures would be enough, which is of course what we do now but with probes, which we have to manually cycle. Automating the process makes it too easy. I think the list needs to include anoms, but for this reason alone I think it's worth NOT having signatures in that list.

Potential problem 2: The relationship between the overlay and scan results. Let me give you a hypothetical. You scan out every sig in a system, and every result on the overlay is a nice green diamond. Then you warp to some convenient outer planet or deep-safe and point your camera towards the nice cluster of green diamonds at the core. Then you see something orange. Sure, you might not know immediately that it's a WH, but you know SOMETHING spawned and you need to react to it. I'm actually in favor of NOT linking the two, and similarly not allowing us to "ignore" overlay hits from space. I think that would completely obliterate this particular element of surprise, and that would be detrimental to w-space gameplay. Yes, there are other elements of surprise, but right now, in an era when most w-space residents are relatively cautious and often try to crash every link to their system before engaging in any PvE, this could reduce risk by too much.

4. It would be nice if the anom hits also showed up in your solar system map. You can right now do this manually by initiating and cancelling warp to each one, so having it just do it automatically seems reasonable.

5. Ending on a positive note, I just wanted to say that this is going to be a tremendous boost to finding out where potential targets are in space, if you are already adept with d-scan. It will take me mere seconds to find targets when I jump into a new system now. This partially offsets some of the things I noted above, but I would say that my cautions are still very much valid. If they know that a new wormhole has spawned instantly when I jump through it (or when I scan it down to 100%, never totally clear on what causes the K162 to spawn), even if it only takes me ten seconds to track them down, they will probably have initiated warp already.