Test Server Feedback

Not sure if I have already said this... but I want to make the point that the scanner shouldn't be automatically running when you enter a system. You should at least have to turn the scanner on to receive the benefits. If it's going to run automatically then you might as well just put the damn sites in the normal drop down menu for the system.

Positives; Like the animation and the UI for highlighting sites is great. Love the fact you can run it permanently and it's awesome that ore sites now show up on a normal scan.

If the purpose is to move things from excel to space, Im afraid its failing its purpose for me.
If it is an aid that helps a newbie to accidentally stumble over a signature, who otherwise would not even have guessed that such things exist, than its ok.

Spinning the camera in circles and then missing something anyways .... Im back to exclusively using probes because it gives me a headache otherwise.
You sould consider showing the results (not only anomalies but also signatures) immediately in the scanner window too, or on the F11 map (that hardly anyone uses) or at least the solarsystem-map (th F10 one)

Dont get me wrong, It looks awesome and sci-fi but the usability is almost non-existent.
In case the rumors about the plans of removing the list in the scanner-window entirely are true, please reconsider!

There HAS to be some way to see signatures from 3rd person. (like when you are looking at the map)
There Is a reason that radar data is usually not displayed in 1st person in real world applications.

Still need a list to make it easier to keep track of things and communicate with other players. "Fly to XYZ-123" is a lot simpler than "undock, look up, then left a bit, and see that thing over the moon? okj now look just below that" ... messy.

The new version of the overlay looks much cleaner and cooler, also less irritating. Could get used to that.

Having to look for new signatures in space instead of a list would have some appeal, because it requires more effort, besides moving EVE away from spreadsheetiness. However, having to spin not only in a circle, but also upwards and downwards is really irritating.

Solution: Get rid of the Discovery Scanner as real time intel tool by putting in a five minute delay between scans (or reset on a session change).

Take away the ability for it to auto repeat.

This solves the problem of:

1. People constantly spinning their ships to find new sigs
2. People complaining about that annoying animation every few seconds
3. People not receiving automatic real time intel

Put back in DSPs so they can be used for what they've always been used for.

I been saying this from the start, all sigs will be spammed like this and unusable on screen due to cosmic geometry, everything basically on one plane, and POV to celestials varies so it will be a quite common occurrence, in some systems on entry it may be the norm.

CCP doesn´t seem to have an astrophysicist on the team to point out little things like this, all they have is dev´s distracted by shiny objects.

Please, can we have a switch to disable the automatic scan on entering system. Pretty pointless to have all that scanning going on when i just have to travel 20 jumps to some random destination. (or i could just question the wasted server time if you need a technical reason.) : )

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that button to switch of the automatic scan is a must have really. when you jump into an engagement and there are a lot of anomalies/signatures (w-space, hinthint) you can hardly do anything in the main window anymore... beside watching the explosion of your ship. Please always keep the PVP aspect of the game in mind, pretty please.

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i think what i would like to have is a button in the directional scanner window for doing the overlay scan and check boxes next to it to enable/disable the automatic scan as well as the continuous overlay scan.

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Alright, played with it again, the stuff detected and shown by the new overlay system should show up in the scanner window (and in the system map), maybe with 0% signal strength. Having them not showing up feels inconsistent. Removing the scan window table if signatures hopefully won't happen at all. i mean it would make scanning that just is about to become less tedious totally horrible since you would need to move the camera around to check for the signatures. I can't imagine the benefit there.

I totally appreciate that you are making exploration more accessible and obvious for newcomers but please invest some time into getting the needs of the vets and the newcomers met at once. For w-space vets this automatic overlay scan is a nightmare, also when you travel a w-space route that already good bookmarked it rather makes you loose overview regarding the perils of w-space, which none-blue players are.

Off-Topic:
Massive cheers for the new scanning system with 90% reduced clicks and keystrokes for scanning. !!!!!!

Right. I won't be saying anything that wasn't said already, but I'm going to do it anyway, for the sake of count of feedback, so you lot can add it to the statistics.

I won't lie to you: I kinda like the new scanner, however I do not like its usefulness - or rather, the lack of thereof.
Yes, having a fancy effect of you ship scanning space looks cool. Having anomalies in the 3d environement overlay is also looking nice. However:

1. Please, do not run the scanner automatically upon entering the system. Just don't. It is forcing the player into seeing more stuff than they need or want to see. What about the people who don't give a damn about scanning? Or what about the people who do, but are currently doing something else and do not want to be distracted by it?

1.1. Alright. So, right now, the scanner does run automatically. We get the popups of signatures and anomalies. I'm opening the scanner window to see the list of them. And, wait. There's nothing? So, basically, our ship scans the space, but does not post the result to a readable source? That needs to be changed. Furthermore, onwards to the point 2.

2. You want to get rid of too many spreadsheets in game. But in doing so, with example of the scanning, you are trying to remove spreadsheets/lists from where their existence is necessary. This is Spaceships in space game. Sometimes, spreadsheets are necessary.

Really. I much prefer to have a list of anomalies and signatures that I am trying to keep track of, rather to have them in space in 3d overlay. It has been mentioned many times already: It gives us headache. In 3d, you need to actively look for anomalies/signatures to find it, in all axis. Not only is it much harder than looking for them on the list, it's also much easier to miss something.

3. Real-time updates. As in point 1.1, our ship automatically scans space if set to do so. Doing that, should regularly populate and update the scanner list.

In summary, and in suggestions:

Having nice scanning overlay is a neat addition, but whose only pro is being a cosmetic detail. In its current state it fails in anything else. Please remove the compulsory initial scanning when entering the system, but keep the option to manually turn it on. That will make whole more lot people happier.

Please, do not remove spreadsheets/lists from where they are absolutely necessary. The moment you remove the anomalies/signatures list from scanner as it is now, I can imagine a lot of people losing interest in using that feature. Right now, you might as well add the Anomalies into the Right-Click menus.

One more thing. I would rather be able to use Radial Menu on the Anomalies pins in space, than to see the current implementation of their tooltips (or to have both). With a little effort, you could move all the information and functionality of the Anomalies' tooltips into the Radial Menu.

That is all for now, cheers.

I'm sure it's been said already, but I'm going to say it again... the new sensor overlay needs to show signatures and anomalies as if they are brackets - i.e. if they are not visible on screen you can see them at the edge of the screen so you know which way to rotate the camera.

I jumped around a few systems on SiSi this morning and just about heard that there were signatures in the system (the sound it makes when one is detected is barely audible :lolevehassound: ), but even after doing a couple of 360 sweeps with the camera (this is a bad user experience imo) I still missed a couple that were revealed once I'd dropped probes.

The scanner overlay looks nice but having been exploring in Sisi today I find that I don't use it. If I'm exploring then I''m carrying probes that I will have to drop anyway to actually scan things down. So I just drop the probes and get the results where I need them, in a nice list. So really there is no change from how I used to explore except now I can't scan a whole system in one go because the DSP has been taken away.

Having to spin my view around and around and around and around to look for things in space is really annoying after about the first go at it and it really tells me not very much.

If you are not exploring then the information from the scan is useless anyway so there should be a way to turn it off completely.