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Removing the list of scan results completely is a very bad idea. It would force people to spin their view around and possibly become sick from it. Rather, the Discovery scanner, should, as it is in the current SiSi build, be a tool to help finding things and not an "easy mode win" function. Therefore, the thing shouldn't list the results, instead, the ship's scanner or probes should.

For once, the scanner itself is a great idea. It does however seem necessary to have options to disable the sound and/or graphics completely from the scanner radial menu.

Personally, I think that the scanner works pretty well as the singularity build is at the moment, apart from the issue with scanned down signatures not becoming green on it. One could use that little blipping noise as a clue to the fact that there are things to scan down in the system, but if it doesn't list them, it's just a hint to where you should look and not an easy mode to win. On-board scanner and scanner probes should still have their normal list. Don't remove it or it will break the whole concept!

if you see what is out there almost instantly, how are you still justified in calling it 'the great unknown'? i'm not trolling, i'm serious. seeing what's going on in the system after a brief scan takes the uncanny feeling of uncertainty you used to have and puts it in a little can labeled 'exploration(lol)'.

i tried it on day 1 it was avail

for the most part liked it - but i did not like the auto each system with no disconnect.


so i thought i would go back and give it another go and see if it was just the newness of the thing.


I can honestly say now that its a great feature for when I want it - but not so great for other times which for me is most of the time as I am not out scanning and searching for anoms

There needs to be an off when exiting stations/jumping systems/WHs etc.... i find the whole thing a bit of a distraction from the important stuff like "who is on the other side of the gate".....was that a cloaked ship i just saw for an instant etc...

Getting out of this bubble is my priority right now - not having this thing cycle during my cloak time - which i might add is odd since you cannot probe or scan normally when cloaked

so if you can change that then i think this is overall a sound new piece.

Cheers

~Regan~

This new overlay system makes scanning way to easy, I was able to scan down a 5/10 DED complex in low sec, in 4 scans.
I was in a Vexor Navy Issue, had a T1 core probe launcher, Sisters Core Scanner Probes, Astrometrics 3, and a single Medium Gravity Capacitor Upgrade.
I was able to determine the location of the site based upon its location on the screen, immediately set my probes there in a pinpoint formation and started at 4 AU scan range, skipping the 2 AU sweep.

As others have said, you can basically find out this just as quick with a bit of effort.

The new system seems more realistic and more interesting that the tedious system before.

It might not be useful as in an instant way to find signatures, instead, currently, it helps you narrow down the area you need to look in to find sites. For instance, in some system in Syndicate, there were two signatures in the area around the star on the Discovery scanner and not somewhere else. Thanks to this, I knew where to look in the large system for the signatures and hence saved some time.

As far as I know, signatures spawn within 4 A.U. of the nearest large celestial, meaning that you can use this fact in combination with the Discovery scan results to figure out that "Oh, I need to scan around planet VII", and you do with a 4 A.U. pinpoint scan, instead of trying to cover the whole system with a 32 A.U. scan like you have to in the current TQ build.

And if I hop into an empty WH system with 20 anoms and 41 sigs (Had one this week). My display would just be a cluttered mess with almost no way to easily utilize the data since the only method i have is to hover over the icon in space. Additionally as I scan down and ignore sigs they don't disappear from in space.

Or as I explained a few pages back, I went into a system and the scanner found a mining anom and combat anom. They were so close to each other it took awhile of trying to hover over the correct one to warp to it. I ended up accidentally warping to the combat anom anyhow. Bad for a miner in a barge looking for rocks.

All of this would be solved with the discovery scanner integrating into the scanning interface with the results in the same window.

first off, we are talking about a game in space jelly where missiles have a 50m/s explosion velocity, so please never use realism to justify a feature. secondly, before the new scanner, you had to actually train astrometrics, get a probe launcher and probes and learn how to use them. then you had to give enough of a **** to actually drop the probes and scan the system. that's not 'a little bit of effort'.
and it's a GOOD thing that it's serious effort because that's what EVE is about. if you want a "push button, get bacon" type of game, feel free to try the 10000 other MMOs out there.

Pressing scan every x seconds isn't "work". If you want to bring back DSPS: shuffle up signal strength (completely randomize it) and limit to show only structures, not ships (to not act as 256AU dscan). That way the easymode provides some basic intel but people are encouraged to use Combat Scanners if they want details.

Scanning down every Sig in the system to find what you want isn't "work" either. It's "busy work", which should never exist in a game. Things should be fun and/or challenging (in a way that doesn't involve tedium or fighting the UI). Removing signature strength's use in eliminating possibilities, is not a good idea. The system is dynamic, not "all-informative" (it slowly narrows things down as your signal strength improves) and it required a great deal of research by the exploration community to implement . Just because you're benefiting on to tail end of it, where many signatures are known, doesn't mean that a lot of true "exploration" didn't go into finding all this out.

If CCP wanted to really acknowledge the exploration of its players, they would integrate data that was once hidden, but that players "discovered", directly into the scanning system (which is, close to what they're doing by displaying signature strength).

Also, if CCP really wanted to expand upon true "exploration". They would need to release new things to be discovered. The problem with exploration in this sense, is that it's canned content. Once you make the unknown known, there's no putting the genie back in the bottle. On the other-hand, the current system is canned content that took 3 years to fully suss out (and some of it still hasn't been discovered/reported), and which required the cooperation of hundreds of explorers, working across every region of the game. Frankly, that's pretty epic.

In any case, the process of using scanner probes in exploration isn't very fun, and it isn't true "exploration". It's just busy work. True exploration happens when people delve into dark and/or dangerous environments, little traveled by others and then return with new insights. If CCP can create a system that allows that, then they'll have an expansion worthy of the title "Odyssey".