Science & Industry

Two days into this and mostly Im like... I like the changes..... BUT....

The new ice mining system sucks for me. I work fulltime had 5 accounts, now 4 ..... I can't wait around Sigga all night for a ice belt to spawn. Ice mining was my anti-stress routine at night. I'm yet to smell an ice spawn in Sigga.

Im now forced to scale down my eve playing to 3 accounts thanks to this. I can't maintain two posses anymore so Im pulling down my Wormhole pos.... not happy.... I am a wormholer.

PS.. I still go dizzy jumping gates... love it!!!

I choose to be alone... that is my prerogative. EVE is a sandbox game so I can play it anyway I want to. I was doing just fine before this change... you wait and see... even corps with loads of members is going to battle. But this is not the point.

I enjoy ice mining and now I can't Ice mine as there is no damn belt when I in game after a long hard day of real life work.

And when you have to pay 2 - 4 times the price for a T2 ship or module.... don't complain.

And one more thing, why there's only 1500 racial Ice on anomaly in system Talidal? Should be 2500...

Yep checked it few times on belt respawn

I just trained up a toon so that I could mind ice. I spent lots of isk on his +5's so that I could get it trained up as soon as I could so that I could bring in about 4-5 loads of ice during my 2-3 hour window of game play each evening. The 4 our re-spawn is horrible. For me as a solo miner. I don't have the time or money to run 10 clients or more. Each one with a mining barge like several people do in the system I mine Ice in. Since CCP allows bot-mining like this these belts disappear within 30 min or less. I have waited on the un-dock with my mackinaw scanning for the re-spawn for the three hours I have to pay each night: realizing the best thing for me to do in that situation is to dock up.

It seems that CCP just assumes that anyone who is worth the time to pay any mind to is those who run a fleet of Mackinaws.

There are a lot of strange things that CCP does in many aspects from making changes that don't seem thought through. Some are clues that the company (despite the CEO's email indicating that the changes badly needed are coming) - doesn't really have a solid direction or if it does is not telling anyone anything. IE: Why am I able to walk around a coffee table in captains quarters? How is that fun? What is its purpose?

But anyway this is a flawed change to me. If it remains then what do I assume?

That CCP doesn't have any regard for solo miners? Only wants to make high sec mining corps to war dec? And if this is the case -- what about the NPS corp mining fleets run by single person that eats up the ice field in 30 min - they are immune it seems.

And, what about the new players? They will get discouraged as hell. I figured I'd fit up a hulk because the ONE time I got into the ice field I wasn't able to complete a single cycle on three targeted Clear Icicles. This second account I am using is to make money so I can fund a main PVP toon. What is the point of all the training I did for this ice miner char?

I think that there are several ways this can be fixed. But the patch changes for Ice mining have begun re-inventing the wheel again if you ask me.

And another thing while I'm on a bit of a tangent. Please put an un-dock button back where it used to be (keep the new on on the top right as well if you want). It is driving me crazy.

My game time is valuable, if I am going to pay CCP $15 a month to watch a ship shoot a laser at an icicle for hours at a time. I need to have something target during the time I allocate to playing the game.

-- if you ask me one solution would be to not allow bot mining. Increase the refining yield accordingly. Surely these people running 10 mining barge toons aren't go to micro manage each one.

-- Look at it: after these changes - all the bot miners own all the ice belts. It was problem before and now after the patch if they are trying to limit the amount of ice coming out of high sec.

Right now it seems like a mess no matter how you look at it, but less of a mess before the ice mining changes.

To all the solo miners and their whining... this is a MMO. It can be, but is not intended to be played solo. The best rewards are for those who cooperate with other players. Adapt or find something else to do.

Also - If your POS relied on you mining the fuel to keep it running, you were doing it wrong. All economic equations of the money making venture you were doing should have included the market cost of the fuel before deciding to start the activity. The extra money made by mining it yourself should have been seen as that, extra profit.

My point exactly.

@ Goons.... I lived on nullsec for over a year. I prefer wormholes.... way much fun. hey CCP... please take away local in all nullsec systems and move moon materials to wormholes . The we will see how the nulsec crowd cries!

Why not change all ice so that all ice blocks are 1/10th the size of the current ones. Reduce Ice miner cycle to 1/10. Make all BPs require x10 the Ice. Finally split all the existing ice materials 1 for 10. Now you have the flexibility to ice mine in more active fashions in ships with smaller cargo holds.

The other option is to have an ice mining laser that produces free floating jet cans with ice in it instead of the block being transfered to your ore hold. Then you could have a horde of Ventures carving off blocks of Ice and an Orca or fleet of indys collecting them. This could lead to hijinks in HS as people try to ninja the ice and get suspect flagged. Make this laser cycle x1.5 faster to encourage fleet mining ops.

lot of people crying about : i can't harverst ice naymore please do something : well their is ton of ice with nobody inside just move your body somehere else and do something

@Wh well you know if goon was in WH i'm sure you will go outside it. you don't deserve more attention lolz

I'm not a big fan of this change, but it is what it is. I have spent a lot of time and effort to get my skills up for Ice harvesting its one of the ways I relax while playing eve and am able to make a decent living. The main reason I ice mine is because it is easier to walk away from for a min or two when I have to take care of my children (reason why I don't go nuts mission running.) So more than likely I will be doing a lot less ice mining. Oh well to bad.

... waits for CCP to tweak ice anoms down yet another 20% to bolster crashing prices and incite the much expected "ICE WARS"...