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The Battle of Colelie
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Amseln deBrabant
Ochsenbruegger
#41 - 2013-05-08 06:55:37 UTC  |  Edited by: Amseln deBrabant
Rodj Blake wrote:
First the Minmatars attacked Yulai and the Federation did nothing, because Yulai is not a Federation system.

Then the Minmatars attacked Domain, and the Federation did nothing because Domain is not a Federation region.

Now the Minmatars have attacked Colelie, and there is no excuse for the Federation to not act.



Shut up slaver!

Its soo obvious you Amar will try to make the best out of this situation. This is a internal affair between the Minmatar and the Federation.

You, slaver, just shut up.
Zsaryna Adrelana
Imperial Shipment
Amarr Empire
#42 - 2013-05-08 07:12:19 UTC
And you wouldn't do exactly the same if our positions were reversed?

I do this for many reasons. I do it because I believe it is right. I do it because I will profit by it. These all consolidate into one reason: I do it because I can.
Laerise
PIE Inc.
Khimi Harar
#43 - 2013-05-08 07:19:57 UTC
I'd like to extend my condolences to the families of the crewmen slaughtered by the minmatar fleet.

Many of you will remember that the loyalist capsuleers have warned you about the blood thirsty nature of the minmatar.

The Amarr empire offered these subhumans refuge and enlightenment for decades in the hope to uplift them from their tribal savagery. This kindness was repayed with bloodshed and violence.

Now, many years later these barbarians are repaying your kindness in the same manner. We have warned you about this, again and again.

However, it is not yet too late to take descisive action. Allow the Amarr Empire to bring an end to this tribal menace.

Let there be peace in this wartorn galaxy once more.
Meghel
SilfMeg Mining and Transportation Co
#44 - 2013-05-08 07:23:57 UTC
I was there with the Fcord fleet, intending to jam down both sides in case of fighting.
However, due to the fact that Dreadnoughts were involved, this strategy proved fruitless.

Before the engagement there were desperate pleas from all sides to the Republic Taskforce to stand down and not commit this folly. These pleas fell on deaf ears.

In the end, the Republic Taskforce opened fire and was defeated by the combined forces of the Federation and its supporting Capsuleers.

Some questions remain;

- Who ordered this incursion?
Is it from the Top of the Republic Leadership or was it ordered from a lower echelon without the Republic Leadership's knowledge?
The answer to this question will be very important for future Federation-Republic relations.


- What was exactly the plan?
Barging in with Dreadnoughts seems highly provocative. It would be very easy to detect and the response would be very clear to all involved. Republic planners must have given green light to the fleet commander in order to use force or the Republic fleet would not have committed this folly.

Was it an attempt to brow-beat the Federation? From a tactical and strategic point of view, the operation made no sense.

Tactical; it would have been much more wise to use stealth and guile in order to "retrieve" the shooter. Not use an easy detectable and unsupported fleet of Dreadnoughts.

Unless this attack was a diversion while the stealth and guile was used to retrieve the shooter, but no information regarding this is known at this time.


Strategic; This would heavily hurt relations between the Federation and the Republic. Even if there was no fighting, even if the shooter would be retrieved, this would have dire consequences for Republic-Federation relations.
Laria Raven
The Scope
#45 - 2013-05-08 09:25:22 UTC
Well, I was fantastic and it was a very pretty show. Better than fireworks, any day.

Fallen from grace. And as night comes, may flights of Angels visit your sleep... shoot your ships and steal all of your stuff.
Karmilla Strife
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
Khimi Harar
#46 - 2013-05-08 09:57:03 UTC
I'm not used to being jealous of Laria. I always seem to miss the best shows.
Dahacai Laguz
Rust Creeps
#47 - 2013-05-08 10:14:19 UTC
Friendships and alliances come and go and nothing lasts forever. This simply had to happen and I for one am glad that the outcome wasn't significantly affected by outside capsuleer action. My motive for being there was to try and stop this kind of interference. Taking a side with your chosen faction is fine but thinking that you can simply disable two massive fighting forces from clashing is both ridiculous and arrogant.
Denak Calamari
Incorruptibles
#48 - 2013-05-08 10:44:43 UTC
While I'm not Matari, I fail to see the point of this engagement from either side. I am not going to condemn how the Minmatar people see their justice, but I am fairly sure that the Ray of Matar would not condemn to this kind of pointless bikcering over a single person, regardless of what he did and where.

I just hope the Federation and the Republic can come to a conclusion and not have their dispute escalate to a war, especially after the whole Caldari Prime incident.
Fredfredbug4
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#49 - 2013-05-08 11:59:00 UTC
Denak Calamari wrote:
While I'm not Matari, I fail to see the point of this engagement from either side.


Well when your own friend opens fire on you with dreadnoughts it's pretty hard not to want to fight back.

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Denak Calamari
Incorruptibles
#50 - 2013-05-08 12:02:55 UTC
Fredfredbug4 wrote:
Denak Calamari wrote:
While I'm not Matari, I fail to see the point of this engagement from either side.


Well when your own friend opens fire on you with dreadnoughts it's pretty hard not to want to fight back.


I was more curious on the fact that the Matari were willing to open fire on their own allies to gain a single man from them.
Fredfredbug4
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#51 - 2013-05-08 12:13:39 UTC
Denak Calamari wrote:


I was more curious on the fact that the Matari were willing to open fire on their own allies to gain a single man from them.


Ah, I see what you meant. I too wonder why they did this, nothing could justify it of course.

Yulai was just the beginning, and Colelie was just the end of Act One. The Republic (particularly the Shakor administration) is on a quest to achieve domination through creating chaos and usurping peace and stability.

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Rodj Blake
PIE Inc.
Khimi Harar
#52 - 2013-05-08 13:48:21 UTC
Denak Calamari wrote:
Fredfredbug4 wrote:
Denak Calamari wrote:
While I'm not Matari, I fail to see the point of this engagement from either side.


Well when your own friend opens fire on you with dreadnoughts it's pretty hard not to want to fight back.


I was more curious on the fact that the Matari were willing to open fire on their own allies to gain a single man from them.


It's almost as though that single man knows something that the Shakorites don't want revealed - at any cost.

Dolce et decorum est pro Imperium mori
Akrasjel Lanate
Immemorial Coalescence Administration
Immemorial Coalescence
#53 - 2013-05-08 13:49:49 UTC  |  Edited by: Akrasjel Lanate
It indicates that the "Republic Fleet was acting under direct orders from the Tribal Council" and they are responsible for this unnecessary loss of lives. The one that we recently greeted with with joy.

CEO of Lanate Industries

Citizen of Solitude
Tootenh'amon
#54 - 2013-05-08 13:52:30 UTC
As an imigrant in Federation space I have to say that this is a terrible turn of events, but truth be said, the issue of the assassin's identity and custody should have been resolved long ago. Federation really isn't living up to it's reputation as an ally.
Rainus Max
Fusion Enterprises Ltd
Pandemic Horde
#55 - 2013-05-08 16:56:04 UTC
With the amount of assistance the Federation has given the Republic since their independence (and I suspect even before that) I can't believe they would be stupid enough to do this again. I'm deeply sorry that Midular is dead but nothing justifies launching an attack on what until recently was your closest ally.

As for the outbreak of violence, I don't condone it one bit but I can understand why over the last few years we have had a Caldari invasion of Luminaire, Uriam Kador invading Solitude, Sansha and his mad hordes and that doesn't cover the ongoing militia war. If you keep poking even the most restrained bear it will snap at some point.

If this does turn out to have been an order from the highest levels of Republic government I hope the Federation starts demanding the extradition of those responsible, it was the Republic that took down the jammer, it was the Republic that crossed the boarder and it was the Republic that fired first. The death of one person does not give anyone the right to kill 36,000+ people, no matter how sacred their position is.
Ugleb
Jotunn Risi
#56 - 2013-05-08 20:57:54 UTC
Rodj Blake wrote:
Ugleb wrote:
The death of a Ray of Matar is a sacred matter to us, for want of a better word they might grasp.


Weren't you a member of Ushra'Khan when they put a bounty on Midular's head?


Yes, and I do not regret it at all. I do not consider Midular to have lived up to her potential and at times she has fallen far short of it.

The 1 ISK 'bounty' I have always considered symbolic, we never attempted to end Midular's life nor did we, or anyone with any sense, ever expect that bounty to actually provide a motive for someone to go out and claim it. If I were seriously attempting to hasten a death with ISK, then I would go about it differently.

I do not grieve for Midular, as I never came to see eye to eye with her. But I draw a distinction between the politician and the spiritual symbol of our ways. As a Ray I her passing moves me in a way her office does not. It was ever my hope that as she lived she might yet offer a greater contribution than her political career ever did. That possibility was taken from us, and that I mourn.

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Evi Polevhia
Phoenix Naval Operations
Phoenix Naval Systems
#57 - 2013-05-09 00:43:43 UTC  |  Edited by: Evi Polevhia
The next time you empire 'allies' are going to lose your **** and start destroying eachother' capital ships can I be given a bit more advanced notification? My Purifier had to make trips to offload rescued crew and other valuable things pulled from the wrecks. I cannot give out numbers to the community here as to souls saved, but I can attest to being first responder to four of the downed Naglfars.

I think I will order combat and rescue capable Noctis's for future high sec space engagements. This will make my rescue efforts far quicker and more effective. Each time you empires start firing at each other allows me to perfect my methods. Thank you.
Katarina Musana
Clan Leshya Offworld Venture Enterprise
#58 - 2013-05-09 04:02:00 UTC
Evi Polevhia wrote:
The next time you empire 'allies' are going to lose your **** and start destroying eachother' capital ships can I be given a bit more advanced notification? My Purifier had to make trips to offload rescued crew and other valuable things pulled from the wrecks. I cannot give out numbers to the community here as to souls saved, but I can attest to being first responder to four of the downed Naglfars.

I think I will order combat and rescue capable Noctis's for future high sec space engagements. This will make my rescue efforts far quicker and more effective. Each time you empires start firing at each other allows me to perfect my methods. Thank you.


Thanks for reminding me to make a note to shoot you down before you have a chance next time.
Evi Polevhia
Phoenix Naval Operations
Phoenix Naval Systems
#59 - 2013-05-09 04:03:24 UTC
Katarina Musana wrote:
Evi Polevhia wrote:
The next time you empire 'allies' are going to lose your **** and start destroying eachother' capital ships can I be given a bit more advanced notification? My Purifier had to make trips to offload rescued crew and other valuable things pulled from the wrecks. I cannot give out numbers to the community here as to souls saved, but I can attest to being first responder to four of the downed Naglfars.

I think I will order combat and rescue capable Noctis's for future high sec space engagements. This will make my rescue efforts far quicker and more effective. Each time you empires start firing at each other allows me to perfect my methods. Thank you.


Thanks for reminding me to make a note to shoot you down before you have a chance next time.



The greatest irony of our time. Fire at me in Colelie and your precious CONCORD will vaporize you.
Korsavius
Revenent Defence Corperation
#60 - 2013-05-09 07:04:24 UTC  |  Edited by: Korsavius
Evi Polevhia wrote:
The next time you empire 'allies' are going to lose your **** and start destroying eachother' capital ships can I be given a bit more advanced notification? My Purifier had to make trips to offload rescued crew and other valuable things pulled from the wrecks. I cannot give out numbers to the community here as to souls saved, but I can attest to being first responder to four of the downed Naglfars.

I think I will order combat and rescue capable Noctis's for future high sec space engagements. This will make my rescue efforts far quicker and more effective. Each time you empires start firing at each other allows me to perfect my methods. Thank you.

I think Master Sansha needs to tweak your neural implants a bit. You seem to be displaying a larger-than-normal level of poor manners in comparison to your ilk. After all, with such a demeanor I doubt people would find Nation appealing!

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