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DX 11 in Odyssey?
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AbhChallenger
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#41 - 2013-05-07 20:29:50 UTC
DX11 is more efficient than DX9 so I personally don't think it is about multiple clients.
Cipher Jones
The Thomas Edwards Taco Tuesday All Stars
#42 - 2013-05-07 20:42:07 UTC
AbhChallenger wrote:
DX11 is more efficient than DX9 so I personally don't think it is about multiple clients.


What uses more power, a car that is 50% efficient and produces 200 HP or a car that is 90% efficient and produces 500HP?


internet spaceships

are serious business sir.

and don't forget it
Sergeant Acht Scultz
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#43 - 2013-05-07 20:45:00 UTC
Ranger 1 wrote:
Montevius Williams wrote:
Ranger 1 wrote:
Adela Talvanen wrote:
I recall during the FF recorded coverage that in the Animation Q&A one of the devs mentioned somethig along he lines that the next expansion will be having DX 11 features.

I might have miss heard, or CCP is finally moving from DX 9 graphics.

That doesn't sound right, as our Win XP users would have issues.


Nothing says lack of progress like running antiquated systems.

Seriously, if EVE cant feature state of the art assets becasue of Windows XP - wow

I cant believe people still run XP. I mean, damn, didnt Windows stop supporting XP like 5 years ago? I ould be wrong, but If they are still supporting it, that cant be doing so for long.

People latched onto XP as a finally stable version of Windows like it was a life preserver in a sea of stormy OS's.

It's easy to overlook how buggy and more importantly how insecure it is when it runs halfway decently.

Note: I haven't run XP for a loooong time. Too many programs I use won't run on it as it is so out of date.



Ho yes please explain me how much secure how much stable and how much performing XP is over Win8, yeah, me would like to have a good laugh.

Xp was an awesome OS just like you said in a time where most OS's were bullcrap but now I think I can safely say Win8 is just a pure little beast when you put some effort to adapt or just use a 3rd party little addon that makes if just awesome.

If you only play with your PC, use some light exell stuff, agenda etc you know, small stuff, yeah Xp is still ok, my smartphone does it too and I can even play HD films/vids on it...
Try to run some professional software with heavy calculations (architecture or engineering) on XP and the same on Win8 to see the difference, it's really amazing how perceptible this difference is.

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James Amril-Kesh
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#44 - 2013-05-07 20:52:52 UTC
AbhChallenger wrote:
Nvidia had DX11 hardware in 2010
AMD had DX11 hardware in 2009

It is now May 2013. It is likely to be next year before CCP would even announce a switch to DX11. (A good time with XP finally being dropped by Microsoft)

So what?

Enjoying the rain today? ;)
Djana Libra
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#45 - 2013-05-07 21:09:26 UTC
I remember an eve classic and modern client. Didn't last long tho.

But yeah i wouldnt mind seeing dx11 if they put it to good use.
Xen Solarus
Furious Destruction and Salvage
#46 - 2013-05-07 21:09:40 UTC  |  Edited by: Xen Solarus
EvE has a ton of oldschool players. Unfortunately, they are unwilling and/or unable to upgrade from XP. I think the saying "you can't teach a old dog new tricks" definately applies. Even though the differences between XP and windows 7 are virtually non-existant. I wouldn't recomend windows 8, as the difference would likely blow their minds. They don't even release service packs for XP anymore, its so outdated. They're literally leaving their systems vunerable to modern advancements, all because of their attachment to what they are used to.

Seriously, XP people, upgrade your rigs. You're holding all of EvE back from sweet modern graphics. We don't want to have to wait for you to all die off before it happens! Shocked

Post with your main, like a BOSS!

And no, i don't live in highsec.  As if that would make your opinion any less wrong.  
AbhChallenger
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#47 - 2013-05-07 21:18:23 UTC
James Amril-Kesh wrote:
AbhChallenger wrote:
Nvidia had DX11 hardware in 2010
AMD had DX11 hardware in 2009

It is now May 2013. It is likely to be next year before CCP would even announce a switch to DX11. (A good time with XP finally being dropped by Microsoft)

So what?


You have had plenty (and will have even more) to upgrade into a DX11 system.

Cheapest AMD DX11 Card I see on Newegg is 30 USD
For Nvidia it is 39 USD

You are saying CCP should not update to a standard which had hardware in 2009, has many benefits over dx9, will bring in new players, etc.. because you or whoever purchased your current computer failed to realize or did not care that a notebook, nettop or all in one PC is unable to be upgraded?

CCP made the call for a great deal less benefit in the past. I personally just don't see them accepting your situation for holding back development into a DX11 client. Especially after 2014 and XP support dropped.
James Amril-Kesh
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#48 - 2013-05-07 21:23:34 UTC  |  Edited by: James Amril-Kesh
I'm saying that a lot of people are unable to upgrade, and you wanting your shinies isn't enough justification to force people to spend money they may not have or simply stop playing.

Enjoying the rain today? ;)
AbhChallenger
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#49 - 2013-05-07 21:23:59 UTC
Xen Solarus wrote:
EvE has a ton of oldschool players. Unfortunately, they are unwilling and/or unable to upgrade from XP. I think the saying "you can't teach a old dog new tricks" definately applies. Even though the differences between XP and windows 7 are virtually non-existant. I wouldn't recomend windows 8, as the difference would likely blow their minds. They don't even release service packs for XP anymore, its so outdated. They're literally leaving their systems vunerable to modern advancements, all because of their attachment to what they are used to.

Seriously, XP people, upgrade your rigs. You're holding all of EvE back from sweet modern graphics. We don't want to have to wait for you to all die off before it happens! Shocked


People need to get away from XP as soon as possible as even with security updates it is an extremely insecure OS compared to later Windows operating systems.

Don't forget the hardware requirement for DX11 as well. However, hardware is even less of an excuse in my opinion with the above prices and modern onboard graphics support.
Setaceous
Nexus Prima
#50 - 2013-05-07 21:27:20 UTC
James Amril-Kesh wrote:
I'm saying that a lot of people are unable to upgrade, and you wanting your shinies isn't enough justification to force people to spend money they may not have or simply stop playing.

Indeed. Though if money for those people is seriously that tight, maybe they should reconsider their budget and stop playing anyway. MMOs subs should always come last in a budget for a responsible person.
James Amril-Kesh
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#51 - 2013-05-07 21:29:02 UTC  |  Edited by: James Amril-Kesh
Setaceous wrote:
James Amril-Kesh wrote:
I'm saying that a lot of people are unable to upgrade, and you wanting your shinies isn't enough justification to force people to spend money they may not have or simply stop playing.

Indeed. Though if money for those people is seriously that tight, maybe they should reconsider their budget and stop playing anyway. MMOs subs should always come last in a budget for a responsible person.

It's not in my budget at all. People seem to want to force it on me, though.

Enjoying the rain today? ;)
AbhChallenger
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#52 - 2013-05-07 21:33:53 UTC
James Amril-Kesh wrote:
I'm saying that a lot of people are unable to upgrade, and you wanting your shinies isn't enough justification to force people to spend money they may not have.


If that was the case EVE would have never evolved from the classic client. And please do not attempt to convince me that EVE would have the same subscriber count.

They have updated the requirements for far less benefit in the past. Pretty much took first generation netbooks out of EVE with the shader change. I doubt this will be the biggest change they have done after 2014.
James Amril-Kesh
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#53 - 2013-05-07 21:38:27 UTC  |  Edited by: James Amril-Kesh
So you're fine with forcing a lot of people to pay several hundred dollars (at least) just to continue playing? But it's okay, right? Cause it's not like you have to do anything to get all the shinies you want.

I seriously doubt CCP feels the same way. You can either get a job with CCP to help them develop an optional DX 11 client, or you can shut up and wait for them to do so, or you can just shut up and deal with it.

Enjoying the rain today? ;)
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#54 - 2013-05-07 21:44:13 UTC
…at the end of the day, there's simply not much of a reason for them to go for DX11 at this stage.

Sure, they will work on it internally, but rushing it out before DX9 dips below, say, 5% of he install-base is just pointless.
Inna Cristiana
GucciGang
#55 - 2013-05-07 21:44:45 UTC
Do the following things, CCP:

1) Switch certain game graphics assets to DX11 (Shaders, Tesselation)

and

2) Release the High Resolution Texture pack


I guarantee it will bring many more players to the game.
James Amril-Kesh
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#56 - 2013-05-07 21:46:51 UTC
Inna Cristiana wrote:
Do the following things, CCP:

1) Switch certain game graphics assets to DX11 (Shaders, Tesselation)

and

2) Release the High Resolution Texture pack


I guarantee it will bring many more players to the game.

I guarantee forcing both of these changes will force many players away from the game.
If they're introduced now they need to be optional.

Enjoying the rain today? ;)
AbhChallenger
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#57 - 2013-05-07 21:47:40 UTC
Tippia wrote:
…at the end of the day, there's simply not much of a reason for them to go for DX11 at this stage.

Sure, they will work on it internally, but rushing it out before DX9 dips below, say, 5% of he install-base is just pointless.


I agree that unless they are willing to all in to make full use of DX11. It is not worth it.

DX9 use is not a metric tho in my opinion. DX9 Is due to XP and XP is out in 2014.
AbhChallenger
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#58 - 2013-05-07 21:50:54 UTC
James Amril-Kesh wrote:
Inna Cristiana wrote:
Do the following things, CCP:

1) Switch certain game graphics assets to DX11 (Shaders, Tesselation)

and

2) Release the High Resolution Texture pack


I guarantee it will bring many more players to the game.

I guarantee forcing both of these changes will force many players away from the game.
If they're introduced now they need to be optional.



Heard the same thing when they ended Gen 1 Intel Atom's ability to log into EVE. In the end I would suggest never purchasing an all-in-one or notebook expecting EVE to remain able to be used with it for an extended period of time.
James Amril-Kesh
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#59 - 2013-05-07 21:52:56 UTC
Yeah, I'm sure the number of people who were using Gen 1 Atoms comes anywhere close to the number of people running DX11 incompatible hardware.
Get real.

Enjoying the rain today? ;)
Inna Cristiana
GucciGang
#60 - 2013-05-07 21:54:30 UTC
James Amril-Kesh wrote:
Inna Cristiana wrote:
Do the following things, CCP:

1) Switch certain game graphics assets to DX11 (Shaders, Tesselation)

and

2) Release the High Resolution Texture pack


I guarantee it will bring many more players to the game.

I guarantee forcing both of these changes will force many players away from the game.
If they're introduced now they need to be optional.



Of course it's optional, i have never ever heard of a video game that only gives "very high" graphics quality as choice...

There will always be "Low" for the welfares.