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EULA is a joke?

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Davion Thellere
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#1 - 2013-05-07 13:10:04 UTC
After changing language settings in Eve today the EULA poped up again.
Well, that allways happens when you change the language, and well usually i dont read such stuff, but somehow i caught a glimpse of something weird, and read on a bit further.
So here are a few amusing tidbits (check them for yourself!):

"1. REQUIREMENTS TO PLAY
To play EVE, you must: (i) purchase and download a copy of the Software;"
Hold it? You just using the free download of the software is a breach of Eula?

"2. YOUR ACCOUNT
You may establish only one (1) Account for each copy of the Software licensed. If you wish to establish another Account, you must obtain another license for the Software (you may do this by purchasing and downloading the Software from CCP at the EVE Online web site,"
Hold it? Does this mean what i think it does?

"9. LICENSE
A. Software License
...
You may not use more than one Account with a single licensed copy of the Software.
"
You really are supposed to install a single copy of EVE for every account you use?

Geez, i guess 90% of the Eve players are in violation of the EULA then, well whats the worst that could happen ...

"5. TERMINATION; SUSPENSION OF ACCOUNT
...
B. By CCP for Breach or Misconduct (1) Suspension of Account
CCP may immediately, and without notice, discontinue or suspend access to the System through your Account, and any and all other Accounts that share the name, phone number, e-mail address, internet protocol address or credit card number with the discontinued or suspended Account, in the event of (i) a breach of the EULA (including the Rules of Conduct) by you or any user under your Account;"

Could someone official please clarify this bullshit?
Abrazzar
Vardaugas Family
#2 - 2013-05-07 13:12:06 UTC
EULAs have intentionally no clarification.

Sovereignty and Population

New Mining Mechanics
Spurty
#3 - 2013-05-07 13:19:04 UTC
In true EULA speak the answers to your question are:

"Yes except when No. Failure to follow this will result in Termination (possibly of your account, possibly of you in real life. Who knows?!?)"

So, do you feel lucky today?

There are good ships,

And wood ships,

And ships that sail the sea

But the best ships are Spaceships

Built by CCP
Riot Girl
You'll Cowards Don't Even Smoke Crack
#4 - 2013-05-07 13:21:26 UTC  |  Edited by: Riot Girl
When you first subscribe, there is a fee of around £3 for the software. The first month costs something like £12 as opposed to £9 or whatever it is.

Anyway EULA is basically just to cover their own backs. It basically says, 'You agree to let us do whatever we want and we won't get in trouble for it'.

Oh god.
Davion Thellere
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#5 - 2013-05-07 13:22:16 UTC
Well, i guess its a well known fact that EVE results in the termination of your real life.
Davion Thellere
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#6 - 2013-05-07 13:23:35 UTC
Riot Girl wrote:
When you first subscribe, there is a fee of around £3 for the software. The first month costs something like £12 as opposed to £9 or whatever it is.

Actually not.
Been activating alts with Plex.
Riot Girl
You'll Cowards Don't Even Smoke Crack
#7 - 2013-05-07 13:27:23 UTC
Then I guess they allow you to purchase it for nothing.

Oh god.
Davion Thellere
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#8 - 2013-05-07 13:29:21 UTC
Riot Girl wrote:
Then I guess they allow you to purchase it for nothing.


I guess you could intepret it that way.
The thing about not being allowed to use a single install for several accounts on the other hand is pretty straight forward.
Danni stark
#9 - 2013-05-07 13:30:11 UTC
Davion Thellere wrote:
Riot Girl wrote:
When you first subscribe, there is a fee of around £3 for the software. The first month costs something like £12 as opposed to £9 or whatever it is.

Actually not.
Been activating alts with Plex.


plex costs more than a months subscription so it's included in the plex price, really.

Ice Mining Skill Plan.
Riot Girl
You'll Cowards Don't Even Smoke Crack
#10 - 2013-05-07 13:32:03 UTC  |  Edited by: Riot Girl
Davion Thellere wrote:
The thing about not being allowed to use a single install for several accounts on the other hand is pretty straight forward.

Where does it say that? It says each account needs a license, not a fresh install.

Oh you mean this;
You may not use more than one Account with a single licensed copy of the Software

I'd assume it means you can't use unlicensed accounts with the software. I'm not sure.

Oh god.
Davion Thellere
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#11 - 2013-05-07 13:34:13 UTC
Riot Girl wrote:

Where does it say that? It says each account needs a license, not a fresh install.


What i wrote above:
"You may not use more than one Account with a single licensed copy of the Software."
Riot Girl
You'll Cowards Don't Even Smoke Crack
#12 - 2013-05-07 13:36:16 UTC
Yeah, edited my post.

Oh god.
Steijn
Quay Industries
#13 - 2013-05-07 13:40:00 UTC
Although its not worded like this, I take it to mean that only 1 licence holder can use each individual d/l. So 1 person with 2 accounts would be 1 licence holder. If not, things like this http://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/Multiple_clients are against the eula.
Davion Thellere
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#14 - 2013-05-07 13:41:35 UTC
Hmm, ok, wtf is an unlicensed account then?
Chribba
Otherworld Enterprises
Otherworld Empire
#15 - 2013-05-07 13:43:46 UTC
More like, you purchased your accounts so you can use it with your install, your friend however may not use your "copy/install" to log into his account on your computer.

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Ammanii Justar
anti war corp
#16 - 2013-05-07 13:43:58 UTC
Davion Thellere wrote:
Riot Girl wrote:

Where does it say that? It says each account needs a license, not a fresh install.


What i wrote above:
"You may not use more than one Account with a single licensed copy of the Software."


that could just mean (to my eye) that you need 2 licenses for two accounts, you wouldn't be about to have 2 accounts and use them one at a time on one software license. the license is seperate from the software install, if you have 3 licenses then you can run upto 3 accounts on a single install.
Davion Thellere
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#17 - 2013-05-07 13:45:27 UTC
Steijn wrote:
Although its not worded like this, I take it to mean that only 1 licence holder can use each individual d/l..

Basicly thats what i would assume too.
SSD space is limited, and requiring everyone to download updates on patch day multiple times shouldnt be in CCPs interest either ...
Ammanii Justar
anti war corp
#18 - 2013-05-07 13:47:12 UTC
anyone know any software lawyers who can give us ab answer...
Merouk Baas
#19 - 2013-05-07 13:49:06 UTC
They should spell it out better though.

You may only download the client from CCP.

You may only obtain accounts from CCP (=licensed accounts).
Ammanii Justar
anti war corp
#20 - 2013-05-07 13:54:34 UTC
the eula is a legal document, it's meant to have precise meanings is legal terms for lawyers, not to be easily understood by us laymen, sadly.
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