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[GMVA] Freedom of Information request on Midular Assassin

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Zsaryna Adrelana
Imperial Shipment
Amarr Empire
#41 - 2013-05-07 19:28:28 UTC
This... This is truly stunning.
Words fail me. At least out here I have the luxury of distance from the events so I can bang my head against the wall in relative comfort. All I can say is, keep it up Soter, with your help the war will be over very soon.
On a more serious note, you ask why Capsuleers are not entrusted with intel and then deliberately leak intel. You also owe me a new datapad. They aren't designed to have coffee spewed over them.

I do this for many reasons. I do it because I believe it is right. I do it because I will profit by it. These all consolidate into one reason: I do it because I can.

Pieter Tuulinen
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
Khimi Harar
#42 - 2013-05-07 20:15:33 UTC
Phox Jorkarzul wrote:

I don't understand the Caldari, the scream for Justice all the time, yet when others seek it that say that their actions are shameful and have secret plots.


As loathe as I am to bring politics into this, I feel the need to point out that you obviously do not understand the Caldari, or you'd know why the drive to point out that Msr Soter often issues press releases packed full of words he has no intention of backing up was too strong for Suorsa-kirjuun to resist.

However, some of his words are very well crafted. I don't agree with the particulars of this statement - but I do agree with the intent behind it. The Sebiestor Tribe must be informed and involved with the trial of this criminal miscreant. Justice must be done, yes, but it must also be SEEN to be done.

For the first time since I started the conversation, he looks me dead in the eye. In his gaze are steel jackhammers, quiet vengeance, a hundred thousand orbital bombs frozen in still life.

Julianus Soter
Blades of Liberty
#43 - 2013-05-07 20:42:54 UTC
As we speak, minmatar and gallente dreadnoughts do battle. Because of FIO hubris, war has come. Thoun Gatarau, think on your sins.

Moira. Corporation CEO, Executor, Villore Accords, @Julianus_Soter https://zkillboard.com/alliance/99001634/

Jinari Otsito
Otsito Mining and Manufacture
#44 - 2013-05-07 21:04:51 UTC
Hmm. Should anyone standing with the minnies here find themselves needing assistance, be it logistics, ammunition or possibly even ships, toss me a mail. OTSI might be able to provide a little support. For a price, of course, but a reasonable one.

Prime Node. Ask me about augmentation.

Phox Jorkarzul
Deep Void Merc Syndicate
#45 - 2013-05-08 02:54:43 UTC
Pieter Tuulinen wrote:
Phox Jorkarzul wrote:

I don't understand the Caldari, the scream for Justice all the time, yet when others seek it that say that their actions are shameful and have secret plots.


As loathe as I am to bring politics into this, I feel the need to point out that you obviously do not understand the Caldari, or you'd know why the drive to point out that Msr Soter often issues press releases packed full of words he has no intention of backing up was too strong for Suorsa-kirjuun to resist.

However, some of his words are very well crafted. I don't agree with the particulars of this statement - but I do agree with the intent behind it. The Sebiestor Tribe must be informed and involved with the trial of this criminal miscreant. Justice must be done, yes, but it must also be SEEN to be done.


That is what Soter has called for. Justice that is in the open where we all can see it. Yet the Caldari are saying that there is a hidding plot behind it, or they are sad that didn't make the request first.....

Blasters for life

https://neverpheedthetroll.blogspot.com

Desra Mascani
Eleutherian Guard
#46 - 2013-05-08 16:02:14 UTC  |  Edited by: Desra Mascani
I have been a supporter of FIO for a long time. I understand that intelligence work requires ruthlessness and in general, methods, that do not get the approval of public. However, today I was disappointed by their behaviour as their insistence of holding the murderer caused this incident with Republic's armed forces. Great statesmen or managers can do grand gestures from time to time for the greater good. There was an opportunity to make such a gesture by releasing the gunman to the Minmatar authorities and perhaps making the alliance even stronger in the process. But mr. Gaterau lacks that greatness. Lately I feel that he lacks the common sense.

What the Republic did was not a show of good judgement either. After FIO provoked them, they just followed their instincts instead of brains and went in with a force, endangering the whole Gallente-Minmatar alliance. I'm sure the Caldari and Amarr are quite happy today, drinking to the downfall of their sworn enemies.

An top of all that is the usual stupidity that is the essence of the ridiculous network of fools that this "Intergalactic Summit" is. Whatever message appears here, there is squabbles, arguments and general bickering that hardly solves anything. I don't usually come here because I know this, but I was asked by Julianus Soter to voice my opinion within the alliance. I concluded that there might be a seed of truth hidden here among the infertile sand spewing from your swollen mouths. Indeed, I found some information and I will use it to voice my opinion in the GMVA alliance (I won't express it here, in the open).

However, what I found along the mentioned seeds of truth disgusts me once again. I will dismiss the others... In my eyes, those who are the stain on this FTL network and associated channel are the ones who call themselves Federation loyalists. In truth, most of them sit and bicker here or in this channel and actually do nothing. They are so bold as to call Julianus Soter a traitor or a non-competent. It is the members of Villore Accords, Justified Chaos, Monkeys with Guns and many others in Gallente Militia who fight for the Federation every day, losing ships and clones so you cold be warm and cozy, locked in a station sipping expensive wine and posting nonsense.

Cherry on top of the cake is this Andreus Ixiris who sides with the power-mad Gaterau while he only two months ago led a fleet who helped terrorists to break into a FIO facility and shot at FIO ships (look here). What a ridiculous twist.
Hadrian Tivianne
Federal Defense Union
Gallente Federation
#47 - 2013-05-08 17:52:02 UTC
For reference, I can honestly say that the first thing that drew my attention to the possibility of a Republic fleet breaching Gallente space at a specified time was the leaked mail here. Which is not good.
Vlad Cetes
Original Sinners
Pandemic Legion
#48 - 2013-05-09 01:35:50 UTC
Thoun Gaterau wrote:
I

I will also add, that due to the simply astonishing level of incompetence and unprofessionalism, the Federal Administration will regard you as incapable of command from here forward, and will defer our communications to other loyalist parties who serve in the Federation's best interests.

If Villore Accords seek to elect a replacement leader who exhibits competence and reliability that the Federation can count on, we will reconsider this position.

Regards,

Thoun Gaterau
Lead Field Agent & Administrator
Special Department of Internal Investigations
Federal Intelligence Office


I rarely agree with Gallente, however this statement is true. A demonstrable pattern of incompetence and failure.
Rinai Vero
Blades of Liberty
#49 - 2013-05-10 01:59:37 UTC
Vlad Cetes wrote:
Thoun Gaterau wrote:
I

I will also add, that due to the simply astonishing level of incompetence and unprofessionalism, the Federal Administration will regard you as incapable of command from here forward, and will defer our communications to other loyalist parties who serve in the Federation's best interests.

If Villore Accords seek to elect a replacement leader who exhibits competence and reliability that the Federation can count on, we will reconsider this position.

Regards,

Thoun Gaterau
Lead Field Agent & Administrator
Special Department of Internal Investigations
Federal Intelligence Office


I rarely agree with Gallente, however this statement is true. A demonstrable pattern of incompetence and failure.


Which is pretty rich, considering it was Thoun Gaterau who couldn't keep a lid on his own operation. If he's so competent why is it that our "unreliable" Executor is outing his dirty tricks?

Pieter Tuulinen
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
Khimi Harar
#50 - 2013-05-10 02:04:54 UTC
Phox Jorkarzul wrote:
Pieter Tuulinen wrote:
Phox Jorkarzul wrote:

I don't understand the Caldari, the scream for Justice all the time, yet when others seek it that say that their actions are shameful and have secret plots.


As loathe as I am to bring politics into this, I feel the need to point out that you obviously do not understand the Caldari, or you'd know why the drive to point out that Msr Soter often issues press releases packed full of words he has no intention of backing up was too strong for Suorsa-kirjuun to resist.

However, some of his words are very well crafted. I don't agree with the particulars of this statement - but I do agree with the intent behind it. The Sebiestor Tribe must be informed and involved with the trial of this criminal miscreant. Justice must be done, yes, but it must also be SEEN to be done.


That is what Soter has called for. Justice that is in the open where we all can see it. Yet the Caldari are saying that there is a hidding plot behind it, or they are sad that didn't make the request first.....


What would be the point of CALDARI pilots requesting information from the FIO? To be honest, even if I could do so, I'd be more interested in the truth about the Death Squads running around in Black Rise and on the surface of Home.

I also don't agree that the FIO needs to make their information available to the general public - but I DO think that the Sebiestor Clan and the Republic as a whole deserve more consideration and more involvement than they've been shown.

For the first time since I started the conversation, he looks me dead in the eye. In his gaze are steel jackhammers, quiet vengeance, a hundred thousand orbital bombs frozen in still life.

Valdezi
Revenent Defence Corperation
Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive
#51 - 2013-05-10 02:19:18 UTC
Julianus Soter wrote:


Rather funny coming from an I-RED employee, who has declared war on us in the past....



Heeeeee.

Funniest **** ever.
Julianus Soter
Blades of Liberty
#52 - 2013-05-10 03:30:39 UTC
Valdezi wrote:
Julianus Soter wrote:


Rather funny coming from an I-RED employee, who has declared war on us in the past....



Heeeeee.

Funniest **** ever.


Two separate declarations of war, due to a failure to maintain payment of the bill, three years ago, between the period of the February 1st, to February 27th of that year.

The Graduate School of Applied Knowledge left your alliance during the war that occured, and the then-nascent Villore Accords corporations counter-wardecced in support of our position at the time. Those participants were Shadows of the Federation, Quantum Cats Syndicate, and Strix Armaments and Defence.

As you can see, was something of a tussle. And partly why I don't like you very much.

Kind regards,

Soter

Moira. Corporation CEO, Executor, Villore Accords, @Julianus_Soter https://zkillboard.com/alliance/99001634/

Phox Jorkarzul
Deep Void Merc Syndicate
#53 - 2013-05-10 05:06:24 UTC
Julianus Soter wrote:
Valdezi wrote:
Julianus Soter wrote:


Rather funny coming from an I-RED employee, who has declared war on us in the past....



Heeeeee.

Funniest **** ever.


Two separate declarations of war, due to a failure to maintain payment of the bill, three years ago, between the period of the February 1st, to February 27th of that year.

The Graduate School of Applied Knowledge left your alliance during the war that occured, and the then-nascent Villore Accords corporations counter-wardecced in support of our position at the time. Those participants were Shadows of the Federation, Quantum Cats Syndicate, and Strix Armaments and Defence.

As you can see, was something of a tussle. And partly why I don't like you very much.

Kind regards,

Soter


What I find is funny is how I-Red tries act as if they care about what is happen in Black Rise and Placid while they live off in Syndicate. They let the Caldari Militia fall from its former gloria so that they can act as overlords over the Initki in Syndicate.

Blasters for life

https://neverpheedthetroll.blogspot.com

Valdezi
Revenent Defence Corperation
Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive
#54 - 2013-05-10 08:48:39 UTC
Phox Jorkarzul wrote:


What I find is funny is how I-Red tries act as if they care about what is happen in Black Rise and Placid while they live off in Syndicate. They let the Caldari Militia fall from its former gloria so that they can act as overlords over the Initki in Syndicate.


What I find funny is how Moira. made its name ganking industrial corps in Intaki and Stacmon and then muscled in on the Villore Accords, taking control of the alliance from groups like Q-Cats who can actually fight.
BloodBird
The Crucible.
#55 - 2013-05-10 13:50:48 UTC
Desra Mascani wrote:
*snip*



Your opinion has been noted.

I can respect and understand your position, even if you don't return the favor for either me or my CEO.
Katran Luftschreck
Royal Ammatar Engineering Corps
#56 - 2013-05-11 01:57:39 UTC
You have to admit it's a good question: What information about the shooter is so damning to someone that they'd sacrifice over 36,000 lives to keep it from getting out?

I'm not talking about turning the shooter over to the Republic so that he can be quickly silenced - it's too late for that, because you know that Blaque had this guy singing like a songbird inside five minutes (Blaque's may be a bastard, but he'g good at his job). So it's obvious that the Black Eagles know the truth. It's likely that Roden knows as well. Yet it's not just the terrorist that they're keeping locked up - it's what they know about him.

I can see perfect legal justification for the Federation keeping this guy locked up in their territory. I can understand the logic. But the information blackout... that's what's got me curious. What don't they want people to know? Not only that, but why a blackout in the first place? You'd think the FIO, of all groups, would have been able to fabricate whatever cover story they wanted and fed it to the public within the first day. Why did they fail to do the most obvious damage control function one would expect of such an agency?

Let's put morals aside and think pragmatically for a minute: If you were the head of the FIO and your interrogation of the terrorist revealed a lot of info that you never wanted getting out, wouldn't you just make something up and spin doctor a false story to assay the public's questions and end the issue right then & there? Round up some random psycho from the maximum security wards, hand that guy over to the Republic and say "Yeah, this is the shooter you wanted, enjoy."

Unless... you had reason to believe that it wouldn't work. But why wouldn't it work? Like I said, they could have handed anyone over to the Republic and claimed that was the terrorist, while keeping the real prisoner under wraps. The only way that wouldn't work is if the Republic already knew who the shooter was. Likewise, the only way a spin-doctored fabricated story wouldn't sell to Republic Intel would again be if they already knew the truth.

In short, there is no point in lying to people who already know the real story. So there is only one logical reason why the FIO didn't just make up a bunch of crap and hand over a patsy: Someone in the Republic already knows what's really going on... and also doesn't want the truth getting out to the public...

... and that someone was willing to send fifteen dreadnaughts to make sure that truth never gets out. Gosh, I who has that kind of rank, I wonder? Roll

So yes, there is a cover-up taking place here - that much is obvious. What people seem to be missing, however, is that all the conspirators in this cover-up aren't all in the Federation.

That terrorist is a chip, and a powerful one, because he knows the truth better than anyone. A truth that can apparently do more damage than fifteen dreadnaughts. A truth that can do enough damage to the Shakor regency that he felt it was worth throwing away over fifteen dreadnaughts to steal it. A truth that can do enough damage to the Roden presidency that he felt it was worth losing nine dreadnaughts to protect it. Over 36,000 lives lost over the secrets of one lone gunman.

You have to admit that learning the truth only gets more tempting for it.

http://youtu.be/t0q2F8NsYQ0

Julianus Soter
Blades of Liberty
#57 - 2013-05-11 05:34:17 UTC
Katran Luftschreck wrote:
You have to admit it's a good question: What information about the shooter is so damning to someone that they'd sacrifice over 36,000 lives to keep it froh damage to the Shakor regency that he felt it was worth throwing away over fifteen dreadnaughts to steal it. A truth that can do enough damage to the Roden presidency that he felt it was worth losing nine dreadnaughts to protect it. Over 36,000 lives lost over the secrets of one lone gunman.

You have to admit that learning the truth only gets more tempting for it.



The truth is that the suspect is a clone trooper is the suspect. That is why they are frightened.

Moira. Corporation CEO, Executor, Villore Accords, @Julianus_Soter https://zkillboard.com/alliance/99001634/

Pieter Tuulinen
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
Khimi Harar
#58 - 2013-05-11 06:32:45 UTC
Julianus Soter wrote:
Katran Luftschreck wrote:
You have to admit it's a good question: What information about the shooter is so damning to someone that they'd sacrifice over 36,000 lives to keep it froh damage to the Shakor regency that he felt it was worth throwing away over fifteen dreadnaughts to steal it. A truth that can do enough damage to the Roden presidency that he felt it was worth losing nine dreadnaughts to protect it. Over 36,000 lives lost over the secrets of one lone gunman.

You have to admit that learning the truth only gets more tempting for it.



The truth is that the suspect is a clone trooper is the suspect. That is why they are frightened.


But WHY does that frighten them so much? The Executor's assassin was revealed to be a clone trooper and that caused WAY less political upheaval than allowing people to think the Federation was behind it would have done!

For the first time since I started the conversation, he looks me dead in the eye. In his gaze are steel jackhammers, quiet vengeance, a hundred thousand orbital bombs frozen in still life.

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