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[GMVA] Freedom of Information request on Midular Assassin
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Anja Suorsa
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#21 - 2013-05-07 16:03:29 UTC  |  Edited by: Anja Suorsa
Phox Jorkarzul wrote:

All that Mr Soter has done is expressed that wants to bring a killer to justice. Yet you are puttling words in his mouth and saying that he should feel ashamed for doing so.

I don't understand the Caldari, the scream for Justice all the time, yet when others seek it that say that their actions are shameful and have secret plots.

Deep Void Merc Syndicate will support a day of mourning for The Ray. She was a good woman and a Hero the Matari people. She sought Freedom and Justice for all Minmatar people. Fly Safe My Lady.


A foreword: It is against my better judgement that I have deigned to reply to your post.

Firstly, It is most obvious that you do not understand the Caldari, your posting history has tagged you to this effect, you didn't need to say it.

Secondly, as you like pointing out people putting words in others mouths so much, please point me to where I have in fact committed such a heinous crime. I have, I reiterate, simply pointed out that this wall of text from your leader is infact blatant ego stroking.

As you have correctly noticed, this is a time for mourning; Not for me to mourn, I hasten to add. My condolences would ring hollow no matter how sincere as I regularly engage Matari in combat, which is why I have had the decency not to cheapen the death of Midular with populist sentiments of freedom of information and standing together. Dross, if ever I saw it, coming from the man who could not hold his people to task when he issues an alliance-wide decree. Why then do you think this petition will achieve anything other than the kudos of the shallow witted and the vain, as demonstrated by the responses here?

Let the woman die and her people mourn in peace. You can have your populist petitions and collective ego stroking later, when everything has settled down.
Julianus Soter
Blades of Liberty
#22 - 2013-05-07 16:29:21 UTC  |  Edited by: Julianus Soter
You have been contacted as Federal Loyalists. The Federal Intelligence Office is aware of a potential plot by the Republic Security Sevices to breach our borders this evening.

This is unacceptable. It would appear that diplomatic channels have failed with regards to the shooting of Karin Midular. Defense of our border is paramount, to send a message that this kind of behavior, and such a risk to the safety of the Gallente people will not be tolerated.

We believe that the Republic Security Services will attempt to push through Colelie again this evening, somewhere between 19:30 and 21:00 EVE Standard.

Rally your pilots.

Thoun Gaterau
Lead Field Agent & Administrator
Special Department of Internal Investigations
Federal Intelligence Office


##############
End of evemail.

Federal Intelligence Office busy preparing for war to listen to our request.

PS. I find it rather funny I had to have this document forwarded to me.... Are the Villore Accords corporations no longer 'federal loyalists'?

Moira. Corporation CEO, Executor, Villore Accords, @Julianus_Soter https://zkillboard.com/alliance/99001634/
Ava Starfire
Khushakor Clan
#23 - 2013-05-07 16:53:53 UTC
What.

(( CCP, WHY when I am at work? ))

"There is no strength in numbers; have no such misconception." -Jayka Vofur, "Warfare in the North"
Andreus Ixiris
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#24 - 2013-05-07 17:35:55 UTC
Wow. Soter, I'm not sure what I'm more in awe of.

The fact that you compromised what fragile opsec we had and posted this mail publicly as part of your vanity project - or the fact that you had the sheer irony-blind gall to whine about how it wasn't addressed to you. You want an answer to this question?

THIS. THIS IS WHY.

Andreus Ixiris > A Civire without a chin is barely a Civire at all.

Pieter Tuulinen > He'd be Civirely disadvantaged, Andreus.

Andreus Ixiris > ...

Andreus Ixiris > This is why we're at war.
Julianus Soter
Blades of Liberty
#25 - 2013-05-07 17:44:14 UTC  |  Edited by: Julianus Soter
Fragile opsec. It was forwarded by other people Thoun had contacted. What were you going to do, defend against a Republic Fleet with five people?

The ONLY path forward is transparency. Everything else is destruction.

The fact that the FIO feels they can win this battle through military means is pure insanity, Andreus.

Moira. Corporation CEO, Executor, Villore Accords, @Julianus_Soter https://zkillboard.com/alliance/99001634/
Elsebeth Rhiannon
Gradient
Electus Matari
#26 - 2013-05-07 17:44:52 UTC
Can hardly think of anything funnier than a person forwarding a confidential mail to public and at the same time asking why he was not included in the recipients' list in the first place. Big smile

An interesting bit of intel you have there, though. Maybe I am vain too, but I should think if RSS was planning something like this, they'd have contacted if not me, then someone I know.

Elsebeth
Julianus Soter
Blades of Liberty
#27 - 2013-05-07 17:50:01 UTC
Its far more troubling why the Federation is going ahead with military preparations enslisting certain capsuleers to their cause, but failing to advise anyone beyond a small list of eight individuals. This reeks of paranoia. I exposed the message because I see this course of action in the Federation inherently dangerous and against the ideals of our founding. Mr Gaterau was contacted urgently. He ignored our efforts for a peaceful resolution. Complete insanity.

Moira. Corporation CEO, Executor, Villore Accords, @Julianus_Soter https://zkillboard.com/alliance/99001634/
Caviar Liberta
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#28 - 2013-05-07 17:56:46 UTC  |  Edited by: Caviar Liberta
Julianus Soter wrote:
I do regret the large numbers of Caldari Militia supporters and other megacorporation employees chestbeating about this situation. Let our attention be focused on resolving this crime and uncovering those that did it.


If you want this to happen, then let those who do things that shouldn't be known openly to the general public , then have their bodies show up on a pike for all to see what happens when you think you are untouchable.
Julianus Soter
Blades of Liberty
#29 - 2013-05-07 18:10:54 UTC
Exactly Caviar. The policy of keeping capsuleers out of the loop must end.

Moira. Corporation CEO, Executor, Villore Accords, @Julianus_Soter https://zkillboard.com/alliance/99001634/
Makkal Hanaya
Revenent Defence Corperation
#30 - 2013-05-07 18:19:08 UTC
Andreus Ixiris wrote:
Wow. Soter, I'm not sure what I'm more in awe of.

The fact that you compromised what fragile opsec we had and posted this mail publicly as part of your vanity project - or the fact that you had the sheer irony-blind gall to whine about how it wasn't addressed to you. You want an answer to this question?

THIS. THIS IS WHY.


Mr. Ixiris, while I'm not usually fond of your views, I have to back you up 100% on this one.

I suspect that the next time Mr. Soter is in a fleet with Federation loyalists, someone's going to blow up his ship.

Render unto Khanid the things which are Khanid's; and unto God the things that are God's.
Scherezad
Revenent Defence Corperation
Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive
#31 - 2013-05-07 18:20:17 UTC
Julianus Soter wrote:
Exactly Caviar. The policy of keeping capsuleers out of the loop must end.


We regularly visit death and terror upon the Cluster. We are unbound by the rule of law in all but the lightest way. We cannot be killed by all but the most ambitious enemy, and we have the resources to burn down nations.

I am frankly surprised they tell us anything at all. If you are not included in the confidence of the Federation, sir, perhaps you ought to ask yourself why this is so instead of making demands. It may be more constructive in the long run.
Thoun Gaterau
Federal Intelligence Office
Gallente Federation
#32 - 2013-05-07 18:24:59 UTC
I would like to clear up several misconceptions.


Julianus Soter wrote:
With the passing of the Ray of Matar, Karin Midular, the time has come for complete transparency regarding her assassin.

We owe it to our brothers and sisters in the Minmatar Republic to provide timely and substantive information about the assassin that killed their former head of state, so they might determine if there is a more significant security threat against their government.

As Executor of the Villore Accords, an organization which supports the defense of many border systems and planets in the Placid and Black Rise regions, I make a formal petition to the Federation Senate and the Intelligence Committee to have the Federal Intelligence Office release the identity and status of the suspected assassin.



When acting in the best interests of Federal Security, there is no "freedom of information". There is no "the people must know". We make decisions based on maintaining security, law, and order. That is our remit. That is our purpose.

You can feel free to petition as openly and loudly as you like. The Federal Administration will decide if and when details are released, and any such information will be communicated when it does not pose a risk to our ongoing investigations.


Julianus Soter wrote:
It is the opinion of Villore Accords and Moira. military intelligence analysists that this assassin is indeed a clone trooper, fitted with a sophisticated implant enabling nearly infinite recloning. This is due to the same pattern of attack and similar combat efficiency as the assassin who nearly killed Tibus Heth.

Because of the purge of the first generation of these clone troops, it seems disturbing that any other aberrant units of FirstGen soldiers could remain. That makes it even more disturbing that it could have been a coordinated attack by either a faction-loyal group of clone troopers or some unknown fringe group.


If this is what your military "analysts" are telling you, it would be a good idea if you fired them. All of them. Immediately. There is literally not a single similiarity between this incident and the attempted assasination of Tibus Heth, other than the fact a gun was pointed at a person, and was summarily discharged.

I will also add, that due to the simply astonishing level of incompetence and unprofessionalism, the Federal Administration will regard you as incapable of command from here forward, and will defer our communications to other loyalist parties who serve in the Federation's best interests.

If Villore Accords seek to elect a replacement leader who exhibits competence and reliability that the Federation can count on, we will reconsider this position.

Regards,

Thoun Gaterau
Lead Field Agent & Administrator
Special Department of Internal Investigations
Federal Intelligence Office
Julianus Soter
Blades of Liberty
#33 - 2013-05-07 18:25:49 UTC
Makkal Hanaya wrote:
Andreus Ixiris wrote:
Wow. Soter, I'm not sure what I'm more in awe of.

The fact that you compromised what fragile opsec we had and posted this mail publicly as part of your vanity project - or the fact that you had the sheer irony-blind gall to whine about how it wasn't addressed to you. You want an answer to this question?

THIS. THIS IS WHY.


Mr. Ixiris, while I'm not usually fond of your views, I have to back you up 100% on this one.

I suspect that the next time Mr. Soter is in a fleet with Federation loyalists, someone's going to blow up his ship.


Rather funny coming from an I-RED employee, who has declared war on us in the past....

Perhaps I should have restrained my sheer, unmitigated shock, and not gone to the public with the message. Indeed, I could have easily used any number of neutral agents to transmit it. But now is the time to send the strongest possible message to the FIO. This course of action they are pursuing is madness. And it may yet lead to the deaths of millions.

I felt the need to speak my mind on this matter before the tragedy of the Ray is further compounded by a meaningless and avoidable conflict.

Moira. Corporation CEO, Executor, Villore Accords, @Julianus_Soter https://zkillboard.com/alliance/99001634/
Makkal Hanaya
Revenent Defence Corperation
#34 - 2013-05-07 18:38:57 UTC  |  Edited by: Makkal Hanaya
Julianus Soter wrote:
Rather funny coming from an I-RED employee, who has declared war on us in the past....

Have we?

If we should ever do so again, I heartily encourage you to follow your current example and post all plans and messages related to your pilot movement in a thread on the ISG.

Because, you know, 'freedom of information.'

Thoun Gaterau wrote:
I will also add, that due to the simply astonishing level of incompetence and unprofessionalism, the Federal Administration will regard you as incapable of command from here forward, and will defer our communications to other loyalist parties who serve in the Federation's best interests.


A can of Quafe MAX - 4 ik
An hour's access to the GalNet at a station cafe - 10ik
Laughing so hard you spew Quafe MAX on the screen - priceless.

There are some things in life you can't buy. For everything else, there's IshuKard.

Render unto Khanid the things which are Khanid's; and unto God the things that are God's.
Anja Suorsa
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#35 - 2013-05-07 18:39:45 UTC
Thoun Gaterau wrote:
due to the simply astonishing level of incompetence and unprofessionalism, the Federal Administration will regard you as incapable of command from here forward, and will defer our communications to other loyalist parties who serve in the Federation's best interests.


That's a pretty damning indictment, but it really just confirms what most of us already knew.

Well done Soter, keep up the good work.
Davlos
State War Academy
Caldari State
#36 - 2013-05-07 18:39:55 UTC
Thoun Gaterau wrote:
I would like to clear up several misconceptions.


Julianus Soter wrote:
With the passing of the Ray of Matar, Karin Midular, the time has come for complete transparency regarding her assassin.

We owe it to our brothers and sisters in the Minmatar Republic to provide timely and substantive information about the assassin that killed their former head of state, so they might determine if there is a more significant security threat against their government.

As Executor of the Villore Accords, an organization which supports the defense of many border systems and planets in the Placid and Black Rise regions, I make a formal petition to the Federation Senate and the Intelligence Committee to have the Federal Intelligence Office release the identity and status of the suspected assassin.



When acting in the best interests of Federal Security, there is no "freedom of information". There is no "the people must know". We make decisions based on maintaining security, law, and order. That is our remit. That is our purpose.

You can feel free to petition as openly and loudly as you like. The Federal Administration will decide if and when details are released, and any such information will be communicated when it does not pose a risk to our ongoing investigations.


Julianus Soter wrote:
It is the opinion of Villore Accords and Moira. military intelligence analysists that this assassin is indeed a clone trooper, fitted with a sophisticated implant enabling nearly infinite recloning. This is due to the same pattern of attack and similar combat efficiency as the assassin who nearly killed Tibus Heth.

Because of the purge of the first generation of these clone troops, it seems disturbing that any other aberrant units of FirstGen soldiers could remain. That makes it even more disturbing that it could have been a coordinated attack by either a faction-loyal group of clone troopers or some unknown fringe group.


If this is what your military "analysts" are telling you, it would be a good idea if you fired them. All of them. Immediately. There is literally not a single similiarity between this incident and the attempted assasination of Tibus Heth, other than the fact a gun was pointed at a person, and was summarily discharged.

I will also add, that due to the simply astonishing level of incompetence and unprofessionalism, the Federal Administration will regard you as incapable of command from here forward, and will defer our communications to other loyalist parties who serve in the Federation's best interests.

If Villore Accords seek to elect a replacement leader who exhibits competence and reliability that the Federation can count on, we will reconsider this position.

Regards,

Thoun Gaterau
Lead Field Agent & Administrator
Special Department of Internal Investigations
Federal Intelligence Office


Mr. Soter, it looks like you've just been told, son.
Andreus Ixiris
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#37 - 2013-05-07 18:42:01 UTC
Looks like someone just discovered the secret of Told Fusion.

Andreus Ixiris > A Civire without a chin is barely a Civire at all.

Pieter Tuulinen > He'd be Civirely disadvantaged, Andreus.

Andreus Ixiris > ...

Andreus Ixiris > This is why we're at war.
Julianus Soter
Blades of Liberty
#38 - 2013-05-07 18:43:10 UTC
Poor decision, Gaterau. You had your chance, and you missed it.

Moira. Corporation CEO, Executor, Villore Accords, @Julianus_Soter https://zkillboard.com/alliance/99001634/
Akrasjel Lanate
Immemorial Coalescence Administration
Immemorial Coalescence
#39 - 2013-05-07 18:50:24 UTC
Thoun Gaterau wrote:

I will also add, that due to the simply astonishing level of incompetence and unprofessionalism, the Federal Administration will regard you as incapable of command from here forward, and will defer our communications to other loyalist parties who serve in the Federation's best interests.

If Villore Accords seek to elect a replacement leader who exhibits competence and reliability that the Federation can count on, we will reconsider this position.

Regards,

Thoun Gaterau
Lead Field Agent & Administrator
Special Department of Internal Investigations
Federal Intelligence Office


Mr. Soter here are the consequences of your action, hope you happy.

Weird Thoun contacted some of use after the "SnipeHunt Elimination and us shooting him" event.

CEO of Lanate Industries

Citizen of Solitude
Morwen Lagann
Tyrathlion Interstellar
#40 - 2013-05-07 18:57:56 UTC
Akrasjel Lanate wrote:

Weird Thoun contacted some of use after the "SnipeHunt Elimination and us shooting him" event.


Perhaps he is capable of considering that most of the pilots in that fleet - myself included - might have been completely fooled into thinking we were doing the right thing.

Maybe we were, maybe we weren't. But he's giving people a second chance regardless.

Which means to me that perhaps the appropriate response is "thank you," not "that's weird."

Morwen Lagann

CEO, Tyrathlion Interstellar

Coordinator, Arataka Research Consortium

Owner, The Golden Masque
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