Player Features and Ideas Discussion

I am old WoW vet that have abandoned the game. I started it near vanilla. Did big raids, several expansions. I enjoyed the vanilla content a lot. MC was actually one of the best raid dungeons ever. It was hard to gather the people for it and if one screwed up the whole raid suffered. But god it was fun. Just the silliness and the people in this raid.

When expansions came we started to see just forced reitemization. New content was not always that different or good. Daily missions actually just made it worse (thanks we do not have them!)

When level cap rose people got fragmented worse along the levels. It was really difficult to get people for dungeons. Actually it got to a point where people wanted to out level the dungeon content and really make it boring experience for me. Because there was no risk everything was so easy you could fart and whole dungeon die.

Honestly what you speak about has and is killing WoW as we speak. Blizzard is slobby they do not see the bits they should have protected and maintain. I do not want same mechanism ever to EVE. It will break the economy. Navy / pirate ships and modules are enough bad for me already.

No please never ever bring this to EVE. EVE is sandbox game we have resources that have value everything has purpose. When you are tired to run missions try wormhole life or low sec or null sec. Every space has it different logic. If you do not like it go back to WoW.

... then why don't you just pvp in pirate Bships with faction weapons? That'll make you fill all 'uber' and **** ... until I tackle you down and get my 5 other corp buddies in BC and ECMs to slooooowly make you go *pop* and give you a free ride back tot he cloning bay.

New players can kill you only if you play bad. Bring a rock when new player brings paper. When it comes to 'fair' brawl new player won't stand a chance.

I am not new player anymore but especially with the tier removing what comes to new players taking step towards BS will become lot more difficult in the future.

Also skills should be differently distributed so lower skills levels would be more important yet those masteries V should still give you extra. This would help people to fit into ships not taking anything away from anyone. Bringing EVE as a whole in better balance.

I point out again _ I am not a new player _.

As an aside on the battleship comment by Theia; battleships have always been skill intensive. Any experienced player can tell you that if your flying a battleship within six months of character creation, your an idiot. You don't have the necessary support skills to use it effectively, and the price/capability of the ship is not high enough to cover your ass.

A good battleship pilot will have almost a year's worth of training invested in JUST combat and combat support.

The reason it's such a daunting thing for new players, is that they feel this is the way to go. Bigger must equal better. But bigger more often equals 'more skill intensive'. A new player can be hot **** in a frigate within two months, and under six might be a damn nice cruiser pilot. But as far as getting into the ship itself, it only takes, what, three weeks of training to get into a battleship?

That's the lesson that has to be learned: if you can't fly it well, you'll die in it quickly.

Them raising the bar on battleships, both in terms of price and skill investment, is a good thing to me. They need to push newer pilots out of the larger ships. Because all it does is ruin the experience for them.

How many new players have you seen using cruiser-sized guns on a battleship? Or wondering why that BS doesn't do level 3's better than their cruiser because they don't have good tank skills?

Everyone want's to get into the big ships, then you realize it turns like a brick and doesn't automatically make you uber. That is a hard lesson for EVERY new player.

I work in game industry and its very sad how 'free' billing model has become a new standard.

Why?

Nothing is truly 'free' is mere marketing word that gives you untruthful image what it truly is.

If AUR had become a hit or if it ever becomes a hit CCP will be motivated to launch more AUR bought items and features. Which take their eyes from the real development in the game. Now CCP gets money because we want to play the game and support its development. But when they would get their money from virtual items their interest would quickly shift shipping more AUR items that would keep us happy.

I so hope this never happen why I am today in EVE is partly because its paid game. I hope CCP wont become bit selling company because that would seriously ruin it for me.

Bullshit.... You don't know who you are going to find before you undock. You often don't know how you opponent fit their ship before the engagement starts. Sure, people use killboard records, combat experience, ship graphics, and the like to guesstimate how their opponent is fit and will engage, but that still leaves plenty of room for error. Furthermore, players often don't have the time to recon a situation to such an extent prior to engaging.

Your concept of fair brawl: Same ships, same fits, same tactis.... is simply completely fallacious.
In EvE, fair brawl == brawl where both opponents think they can win. And these happen all the time, and skillpoint number has VERY LITTLE to do with who wins the brawl.



What??? This is not exactly how it works? That level 5, which takes much, much longer to train only gives you a small boost over that level 4. Specialization skills give you an even smaller boost on top of that.

I'm not a new player now... but I started out as a new player killing interceptors in non-t2 fit, unrigged, cheap frigates. I still go out and do weird kills where I play the "underdog" but decimate my opponent by using tactics, not SP.

Rifter vs Wolf
Rifter vs Stabber
Rifter vs Drake
Rifter vs Raven

Taranis vs Wolf
Taranis vs Sabre
Taranis vs Rupture
Taranis vs Hurricane
Taranis vs Rapier
Taranis vs Vagabond

Helios vs Taranis
Helios vs Slicer
Helios vs Auto Wolf
Helios vs Arty Wolf
Helios vs Jaguar
Helios vs Harpy
Helios vs Thrasher
Helios vs Sabre

Vexor vs Cynabal
Vexor vs SFI
Vexor vs Raven
Vexor vs Maelstrom

The unlinked kills happened, but I didn't find them in a quick search..

But mathematically, it doesn't add up. A level IV and V skill take far more training for the same benefit as a I, II, and III.

A new combat pilot can spend a month training relevant skills to level IV, and that older pilot only has 2% benefit in those skills. If the new pilot has the gumption, luck, or player ability, he'll overcome that 2% benefit easily. But that 2% benefit costs a month worth of training.

It's a matter of perspective. Most new players won't engage in a fight because they believe they will lose. They feel that if they don't have the best ships and 100mil sp, they can't win. And they won't.

Best thing you can teach a new player is that they CAN win, even if they only have 2mil sp and a 2mil ship. Because in Eve, they CAN.

I mean, that's essentially what the op of this post is complaining about. There is nothing that makes the old player completely superior. There is no gear grind or superfit mods.

Closest we come is some of the officer mods, and since those aren't T2, a new player can fit them as much as an older player. Only difference there is cost.

So in other words they can't huh?

Sorry Xavier but I am not impressed of person that has to spam forum full of killmails to show they are somebody. Killmails themselves don't prove anything. You can't either jump on afk player or engage already shot ship or ship that has had overheat damage so that mods don't work. Killmails are really irrelevant.

Plus what he just proved is that his supportive skills for frigs are not bad since it takes training time to fly interceptors one of the important skills you can have for frigate is evasive maneuvers. So that who EGO mail has been completely vain. If it impresses someone good for him..

It also proved his point. New player is completely capable of winning battles with older players.

Tiff over the killmails all you want. He's the only one who's brought evidence to this discussion.