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Who DOESN'T like the new wardec policy?
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Without Fear
Flying Burning Ships Alliance
#21 - 2011-10-19 06:43:57 UTC
I always think the idea of them fixing the bounty system somehow would be good. I used to always imagined people waiting outside stations for people with large bounties to come out.

Pity there isn't another way of having bounties that does away with alts and friends collecting them.

They should have a thing where you can select who can collect the bounty. So you just add a corp/alliance and/or single person you'd like to be able to collect the bounty you have put on someones head. They would then receive a bounty notice about it.

Ofc it could be (ab)used a bit like the wardec system tho. But at least it'd be a bit harder for that persons alt/friend to collect bounties.
Naran Eto
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#22 - 2011-10-19 06:51:34 UTC
Simetraz wrote:
I could really care less if CCP gives EVE Uni complete immunity to War Dec's for free.






Could care less
Htrag
The Carebear Stare
Hydroponic Zone
#23 - 2011-10-19 06:55:30 UTC  |  Edited by: Htrag
Its not that I dont like it, I just think its distasteful for something to be deemed no longer an exploit, presumably because enforcement is a pain in the nuts and whoever decides the game mechanics hasn't come up with a more elegant solution.

Noob: Our corp just got war decced, what do we do?

Buddy: Well you can setup 18 alt corps and have them all war dec your corp so the costs for the true war dec will be outrageous.

Broken.

Whatever "dev" it was that removed the pod squish sound probably never even logged into the game.
Naran Eto
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#24 - 2011-10-19 07:00:48 UTC
Htrag wrote:
Its not that I dont like it, I just think its distasteful for something to be deemed no longer an exploit, presumably because enforcement is a pain in the nuts..


You think this is bad, you should see what happened over on starwars galaxies, they ended up with so many people running combat macros and afk farming spawns that they turned round and said they would no longer enforce anti-bot rules unless the bot was specifically effecting another players gameplay (ie afk farming a quest spawn and stopping anyone else from running the quest) because it was taking up too much of their GM time.
Herping yourDerp
Tribal Liberation Force
Minmatar Republic
#25 - 2011-10-19 07:02:30 UTC
Pros
Isk sink
helps prevent single person griefing a large alliance
war requires more commitment
griefer tears

Cons
bad forum post
if you can't afford a dec shield your gonna be deced
Poetic Stanziel
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#26 - 2011-10-19 07:16:56 UTC
Herping yourDerp wrote:
Isk sink
Unless you game the system, so that you pay only a small fraction of the intended cost.
Skunk Gracklaw
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#27 - 2011-10-19 07:18:35 UTC
If there is a game mechanic that makes Poetic Stanziel mad then I'm all for it.
Har Harrison
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#28 - 2011-10-19 07:43:29 UTC
Skunk Gracklaw wrote:
If there is a game mechanic that makes Poetic Stanziel mad then I'm all for it.

What about if there is one that makes other people unhappy??? You know, since it allows person who knows the magic hax to have free dec shield while everyone else has to pay full isk???

You know, kind of like when monkeysphere magic was happening and he was a l33t pvp person and everyone else sucked as they didn't know how to do it... Ugh
Skunk Gracklaw
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#29 - 2011-10-19 07:46:01 UTC
Har Harrison wrote:
Skunk Gracklaw wrote:
If there is a game mechanic that makes Poetic Stanziel mad then I'm all for it.

What about if there is one that makes other people unhappy??? You know, since it allows person who knows the magic hax to have free dec shield while everyone else has to pay full isk???

Considering the kinds of corps that regularly wardec eve-uni they have it coming. There is also no hacking involved with what they are doing and CCP has stated that it's not an exploit.
Har Harrison
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#30 - 2011-10-19 07:48:19 UTC
Skunk Gracklaw wrote:
Har Harrison wrote:
Skunk Gracklaw wrote:
If there is a game mechanic that makes Poetic Stanziel mad then I'm all for it.

What about if there is one that makes other people unhappy??? You know, since it allows person who knows the magic hax to have free dec shield while everyone else has to pay full isk???

Considering the kinds of corps that regularly wardec eve-uni they have it coming. There is also no hacking involved with what they are doing and CCP has stated that it's not an exploit.

And what about corps that want to dec corps besides Eve Uni??? What if a corp wanted to dec a corp to push players out of a system or remove a POS etc... and the players jump corp and laugh or the POS is untouchable due to moving to a new alliance...
Malcanis
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
#31 - 2011-10-19 07:54:39 UTC
The whole wardec system is so broken that it's hard to get excited about this change, tbh.

As soon as CCP have got the 0.0 rework well underway, then hi-sec needs to be next. CONCORD, bounty hunting, wardecs, sec status, all need reworking into some kind of a coherent system.

"Just remember later that I warned against any change to jump ranges or fatigue. You earned whats coming."

Grath Telkin, 11.10.2016
Louis deGuerre
The Dark Tribe
#32 - 2011-10-19 08:09:16 UTC
While I disapprove of their new policy I agree it does not matter much. Highsec wardec mechanics have been broken forever.

It should always be possible to attack someone anywhere without having to pay billions.

Maybe leave NPC corp as a haven for the true carebears, but there should be some (expensive) bounty hunting mechanic to get at them too.
Har Harrison
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#33 - 2011-10-19 08:10:09 UTC
Malcanis wrote:
The whole wardec system is so broken that it's hard to get excited about this change, tbh.

As soon as CCP have got the 0.0 rework well underway, then hi-sec needs to be next. CONCORD, bounty hunting, wardecs, sec status, all need reworking into some kind of a coherent system.

Except that there is no need for war decs in 0.0 as you don't get concorded... Kind of an issue in high sec, hence this change has removed the ability to pvp in high sec...
Jennifer Starling
Imperial Navy Forum Patrol
#34 - 2011-10-19 08:12:43 UTC
Malcanis wrote:
The whole wardec system is so broken that it's hard to get excited about this change, tbh.

As soon as CCP have got the 0.0 rework well underway, then hi-sec needs to be next. CONCORD, bounty hunting, wardecs, sec status, all need reworking into some kind of a coherent system.

Agreed.

The whole wardec-for-a-dime, standings, bounties thing definitely aren't EVE's best assets.
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#35 - 2011-10-19 09:01:19 UTC
I don't particularly care about the decshield part.

What I do care about is the decshedding implications (which I intend to abuse the **** out of until they reverse that piece of idiocy) and the fact that all of this basically came from them giving up on policing what they previously considered exploits.

As it is, they've just declared all POSes in highsec to be permanent structures. If you don't own a moon right now, you' never will, so get cracking on parking those towers…
Rellik B00n
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#36 - 2011-10-19 09:14:39 UTC
to repeat my original answer: its a dreadful decision.
[Of a request for change ask: Who Benefits?](https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&find=unread&t=199765)
March rabbit
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#37 - 2011-10-19 09:58:12 UTC
what is wardec again? why do you need it to shoot people? You are scared to go to places where fighting is allowed all-the-time?

The Mittani: "the inappropriate drunked joke"
Malcanis
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
#38 - 2011-10-19 10:16:16 UTC
Har Harrison wrote:
Malcanis wrote:
The whole wardec system is so broken that it's hard to get excited about this change, tbh.

As soon as CCP have got the 0.0 rework well underway, then hi-sec needs to be next. CONCORD, bounty hunting, wardecs, sec status, all need reworking into some kind of a coherent system.

Except that there is no need for war decs in 0.0 as you don't get concorded... Kind of an issue in high sec, hence this change has removed the ability to pvp in high sec...


Bolded the part of my post you should have read.

"Just remember later that I warned against any change to jump ranges or fatigue. You earned whats coming."

Grath Telkin, 11.10.2016
Rodj Blake
PIE Inc.
Khimi Harar
#39 - 2011-10-19 10:34:14 UTC
People shouldn't be able to avoid wars by abusing mechanics - and that includes using alt corps to bump up the price of declaring war.

Dolce et decorum est pro Imperium mori
non judgement
Without Fear
Flying Burning Ships Alliance
#40 - 2011-10-19 10:44:49 UTC
You know, I haven't seen too many people talking about just how much extra work the GMs had because of this. Maybe the GMs wanted a break from all the petitions about this sort of thing. Might have been a lot of hard work.

Or maybe, something new is going to come out soon that will replace wardecs? Why else would they stop worrying about wardecs? eh?