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So the pendulum is swinging back?

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Zen Guerrilla
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Ushra'Khan
#21 - 2013-05-07 16:34:54 UTC
I'd blame two things.

1. Minnie LP are just not worth much anymore, farmer numbers are going down.
2. Russia has left minnie FW.

Also, this is true:
Stalking Mantis wrote:
Fortress Sahtogas That is all.
Mad props to the Sahtogas crew.

pew pew

X Gallentius
Black Eagle1
#22 - 2013-05-07 16:56:13 UTC  |  Edited by: X Gallentius
Actually, I agree with you Cearain. Amarrian Veangance is doing it all wrong. All these morons do is defensive plex Sahtogas and never get any fights. See their killboard. These guys are the biggest farmers in all of New Eden and if they had courage whatsoever they would quit FW and become low sec pirates. That way they wouldn't spend all their time spinning buttons and would instead get fights.

So, really, I don't know how the subject was switched at all. The player in Amarrian Vengeance clearly stated that their CORPORATION undocked and spun buttons nonstop, and so you looked up his PERSONAL killboard and verified it. I just reinforced your assertion by looking at their CORPORATION killboard instead to show that, yes, they are a fail corporation that never gets fights. Damn PVE'ers. They're everything that's wrong with FW!
Cearain
Plus 10 NV
#23 - 2013-05-07 19:05:56 UTC
X Gallentius wrote:
Actually, I agree with you Cearain. Amarrian Veangance is doing it all wrong. All these morons do is defensive plex Sahtogas and never get any fights. See their killboard...


Thats not what I said. I have respect for allot of the pvpers in Amarrian Veneance. Yes they probably do have to spend more time defensive plexing. That is perhaps why their top killers generally don't get as many kills as the top killers in the pvp corps that base outside of faction war. April is really the exception to that rule, that is otherwise pretty clear to see.

Yes I see their killboards, do you? Look at march and February as well.

It's pretty clear that defensive plexing a home system is a waste of time that could otherwise be spent pvping.

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X Gallentius
Black Eagle1
#24 - 2013-05-07 19:14:45 UTC
Yes, it's horrible for Amarrian Vengeance. I really feel sorry for them not being able to get over 700 kills in Sahtogas last month.

If only I could convince my corporation to quit FW so that we could get more kills too. Unfortunately, we have a bunch of carebears who do nothing all day but defensive plex. It's really sad.

I was talking to QCATS yesterday as well. Their kills are wayy down too. I think they should quit FW too. Not enough kills. It's really sad what CCP is forcing Amarrian Vengeance, JUSTK, and QCATS to do all this farming. Our kbs suffer because of it.

Crosi Wesdo
War and Order
#25 - 2013-05-07 19:44:42 UTC
Cearain wrote:

It's pretty clear that defensive plexing a home system is a waste of time that could otherwise be spent pvping.


Wait, what? I would probaby have to do 15 carrier trips on 2 accounts and several jf runs to move out of my home system. THAT would be a waste of time. And mostly i wait until a wt tries to run an offensive plex, so i get some pvp before i run the timer.

How can you be so wrong about everything?
Cearain
Plus 10 NV
#26 - 2013-05-07 20:51:20 UTC
X Gallentius wrote:
Yes, it's horrible for Amarrian Vengeance. I really feel sorry for them not being able to get over 700 kills in Sahtogas last month.

If only I could convince my corporation to quit FW so that we could get more kills too. Unfortunately, we have a bunch of carebears who do nothing all day but defensive plex. It's really sad.

I was talking to QCATS yesterday as well. Their kills are wayy down too. I think they should quit FW too. Not enough kills. It's really sad what CCP is forcing Amarrian Vengeance, JUSTK, and QCATS to do all this farming. Our kbs suffer because of it.




Seriously that is so different from what I said I don't even know who you are replying to. Learn to read.

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1st-Garrentious WispBender
Doomheim
#27 - 2013-05-08 01:09:04 UTC
Sometimes when I stare too long at a pendulum I fall asleep. It is the similar effect that occurs while I sit in station spinning my ship.
ALUCARD 1208
Digital Ghosts
Nourv Gate Security Commission
#28 - 2013-05-08 01:13:57 UTC
1st-Garrentious WispBender wrote:
Sometimes when I stare too long at a pendulum I fall asleep. It is the similar effect that occurs while I sit in station spinning my ship.



Just aslong as you dont have someone whispering in your ear "when you wake up youll become a dog" your golden Lol
Stalking Mantis
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#29 - 2013-05-08 07:46:46 UTC
Cearain wrote:
X Gallentius wrote:
Stalking Mantis wrote:
Fortress Sahtogas That is all.

The Sahtogas crowd doesnt spam militia chat for help and do nothing to defend their system like the Kamela crowd. Nor does it allow plexing in system with 20+ amarr in system either. Take note those who live in kamela.

The below video captures the glory. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kZsHwOrmq9A

What? You undocked and defended your system (and got tons of fights too)???!!! Bah.



Good questions.

Evekill and battleclinic says he got 29 kills in april and 15 kills in march. But I am assuming there must be an api issue since he does not appear to have pvped at all most of the those months.



What XG Said in post 24

Also I was away from game three weeks in April.

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David Devant
CTRL-Q
Ushra'Khan
#30 - 2013-05-08 08:49:24 UTC
Exciting isn't it?
Meditril
Hoplite Brigade
Ushra'Khan
#31 - 2013-05-08 09:47:58 UTC
David Devant wrote:
Exciting isn't it?

It is. So far I had a lot of fun reading this thread Big smile
Stalking Mantis
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#32 - 2013-05-08 10:17:15 UTC  |  Edited by: Stalking Mantis
further proof there is absolutely NO PVP in defending a system.

(Kindly disregard the ALF video....it's a LONG story)

http://www.youtube.com/user/Flyinghotpocket/videos?view=0&flow=grid

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Cearain
Plus 10 NV
#33 - 2013-05-08 13:40:45 UTC
Stalking Mantis wrote:
Cearain wrote:
X Gallentius wrote:
Stalking Mantis wrote:
Fortress Sahtogas That is all.

The Sahtogas crowd doesnt spam militia chat for help and do nothing to defend their system like the Kamela crowd. Nor does it allow plexing in system with 20+ amarr in system either. Take note those who live in kamela.

The below video captures the glory. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kZsHwOrmq9A

What? You undocked and defended your system (and got tons of fights too)???!!! Bah.



Good questions.

Evekill and battleclinic says he got 29 kills in april and 15 kills in march. But I am assuming there must be an api issue since he does not appear to have pvped at all most of the those months.



What XG Said in post 24

Also I was away from game three weeks in April.


and march?

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X Gallentius
Black Eagle1
#34 - 2013-05-08 13:44:11 UTC
Cearain, I can't believe these guys are having success playing FW the way they want to play it (they are obviously lying carebears only interested in making isk). They should play FW the way YOU want them to play it. Everybody will be much happier. And by "they" I mean my corporation. We would be much better off by quitting FW and becoming low sec pirates like you.

Cearain
Plus 10 NV
#35 - 2013-05-08 13:53:49 UTC
Crosi Wesdo wrote:
Cearain wrote:

It's pretty clear that defensive plexing a home system is a waste of time that could otherwise be spent pvping.


Wait, what? I would probaby have to do 15 carrier trips on 2 accounts and several jf runs to move out of my home system. THAT would be a waste of time. And mostly i wait until a wt tries to run an offensive plex, so i get some pvp before i run the timer.

How can you be so wrong about everything?


So you made that 900k lp from running defensive plexes that a wartarget already started running? LOL. So what is that about 40 hours a month? I think people who know what defensive plexing a system yoru enemey can not even dock in know how boring that is.

As far as the time spent moving that is correct. Thats why many pvpers move to a system they can't be kicked out of and why the station lockouts were such a pia for amarr.

Gallente have the upper hand now and given the fact that there are economic incentives for players to join the winning side I don't see that changing fast.

But its interesting how much your view changed now that you guys have the upper hand from when you didn't and you were complaining about having to constantly dplex to dock.


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Cearain
Plus 10 NV
#36 - 2013-05-08 14:01:19 UTC
X Gallentius wrote:
Cearain, I can't believe these guys are having success playing FW the way they want to play it .



That depends on how you define success. Month in and month out they don't get as much pvp as the corps that base outside of fw space.

And it wasn't me telling them how to play Stalking mantis was the one who started attacking the amarr milita who based out of kamela and the amarr militia generally as to "why amarr are at t1."

I just explained that other players in amarr are more interested in pvp than dplexing the mess minmatar farmers made while they slept.

Like I said, I am glad he is enjoying himself and would never suggest he change how he is playing if he likes it. There is a loss of pvp if you are amarr and you want to base in fw space. Their killboards compared with those who don't base out of fw space proves it.

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X Gallentius
Black Eagle1
#37 - 2013-05-08 14:26:36 UTC
Cearain wrote:
That depends on how you define success. Month in and month out they don't get as much pvp as the corps that base outside of fw space.
Exactly! Their definition of fun and success in this sandbox game is different than yours. What's up with that??!! AND they punch above their weight in terms of kills/player.

Like, wtf, man? Don't they know they are never going to compete with corporations 5 to 25 times their size? Don't they know there's much more pvp to be had camping high sec gates for half their kills? bah. idiots.

Stalking Mantis
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#38 - 2013-05-08 14:29:24 UTC  |  Edited by: Stalking Mantis
Quote:
=Cearain
And it wasn't me telling them how to play Stalking mantis was the one who started attacking the amarr milita who based out of kamela and the amarr militia generally as to "why amarr are at t1."

I just explained that other players in amarr are more interested in pvp than dplexing the mess minmatar farmers made while they slept.



dont even try that half ass attempt to cast that 'you are attacking the amarr militia' in a feeble attempt to alienate me. I have a news flash for you Cearain...brace yourself.....the REAL ammar milita know exactly who we are and help us as we them. Another news flash....you really are not and never were a 'mover or shaker' in the amarr milita.

So you need to drop the whole 'we' talk and the claims of how you where 'strategically planning' as if some unseen puppet master pulling strings and masterminding the war effort.

Don't speak on behalf of the amarr please. You are a fair weather fan that did nothing to help the amarr aside from ***** in the forums and move your crap to egg.

As far as your question of 'what about march?'

You REALLY are out of the amarr fw loop aren't you?

Ask around about the Aset campaign. Also ask who made Ushra Khan quit fw and pack up and leave isbrabata.

You left the amarr. you never were part of the 'collective' amarr. STOP TALKING on behalf of the amarr.

Also for the love of all that is holy. Stop derailing EVERY SINGLE FW THREAD WITH YOUR 9 PAGE DEBATES ON WHAT YOU THINK FW SHOULD BE. OR HOW CCP/THE FW PLAYERS SHOULD ACT.

For those that ARE/Where the collective Amarr. We all know who they were, they all know who we are. It's you that I never saw anywhere except turning every FW thread into an unbearable unreadable threadnaught on par with a War and Peace Novel.

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Stalking Mantis
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#39 - 2013-05-08 14:38:37 UTC  |  Edited by: ISD Ezwal
AM I THE ONLY ONE AROUND HERE THAT IS SICK OF CERAIN TURNING EVERY FW THREAD INTO A '60 MINUTES' SPECIAL IN DEPTH REPORT?

*Snip* Please refrain from discussing forum moderation. ISD Ezwal

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Cearain
Plus 10 NV
#40 - 2013-05-08 15:08:49 UTC
Stalking Mantis wrote:
Quote:
=Cearain
And it wasn't me telling them how to play Stalking mantis was the one who started attacking the amarr milita who based out of kamela and the amarr militia generally as to "why amarr are at t1."

I just explained that other players in amarr are more interested in pvp than dplexing the mess minmatar farmers made while they slept.



dont even try that half ass attempt to cast that 'you are attacking the amarr militia' in a feeble attempt to alienate me. I have a news flash for you Cearain...brace yourself.....the REAL ammar milita know exactly who we are and help us as we them. Another news flash....you really are not and never were a 'mover or shaker' in the amarr milita.

So you need to drop the whole 'we' talk and the claims of how you where 'strategically planning' as if some unseen puppet master pulling strings and masterminding the war effort..


Stalking Mantis wrote:


The Sahtogas crowd doesnt spam militia chat for help and do nothing to defend their system like the Kamela crowd. Nor does it allow plexing in system with 20+ amarr in system either. Take note those who live in kamela.



And when I replied to XG who started his usually attack on amarr corps that base out of fw space we had this exchange.
Stalking Mantis wrote:
Cearain wrote:

It's pretty clear that defensive plexing a home system is a waste of time that could otherwise be spent pvping.


And this ladies and gentleman is why Amarr are at tier one and were down to only three systems.



Those appeared to be digs at your fellow amarr.

I never claimed I was a mover or shaker in the amarr milita. I gave links to the ideas I pushed and I pushed those Ideas in whatever channels I had access to. And yes those ideas eventually won out and amarr made it to a tier 4 cashout. I am not saying I was the only one who pushed those ideas as they were fairly obvious. But there were people who continued to push bad ideas in the amarr.

You know you never linked the strategies you were pushing. You were the one who said amarr should stop crying because you were making money selling ships when we were at tier 1 of the cashout system right?

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