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So the pendulum is swinging back?

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Crosi Wesdo
War and Order
#181 - 2013-05-15 17:45:02 UTC
Combatevolved wrote:
All I know is dealing with stabbed farmers is very annoying and almost impossible to protect systems. Even home systems, if they come when you are not on(tz). There is no point to even dplex or upgrade the system because it will be just right back to lvl 0 and vulnerable.



Yep, its annoying. This is why you make timers roll back. And why ships with cloaks and stabs fitted should not be able to run a timer. Does not stop evasion farming though. ONLY removing LP for sov would do that. Though id rather have to move home occasionally than have to go do missions.
Combatevolved
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#182 - 2013-05-15 17:49:52 UTC
chatgris wrote:
Combatevolved wrote:
All I know is dealing with stabbed farmers is very annoying and almost impossible to protect systems. Even home systems, if they come when you are not on(tz). There is no point to even dplex or upgrade the system because it will be just right back to lvl 0 and vulnerable.



Well, soon you won't have to deal with that much longer :)

Minmatar is on the losing end, the superior numbers of Caldari carebears will fit their stabs with a vengeance, and I expect Gallente to be down to 10-15 systems again in a month or two tops.


I am talking about Gallente farmers. Minnies are few and far between now. Endless hordes in stabbed derptrons. Since the ships are so cheap, they just come right back. So there is no stopping them.
X Gallentius
Black Eagle1
#183 - 2013-05-15 18:00:03 UTC
Combatevolved wrote:
I am talking about Gallente farmers. Minnies are few and far between now. Endless hordes in stabbed derptrons. Since the ships are so cheap, they just come right back. So there is no stopping them.

Derptrons are not stabbed! But yes they are cheap and yes there is no stopping them.

Crosi Wesdo
War and Order
#184 - 2013-05-15 18:00:42 UTC  |  Edited by: Crosi Wesdo
Cearain wrote:
X Gallentius wrote:
Cearain wrote:
more utterly useless crap.

Thanks again for telling me what it takes to win the FW Sov game again Cearain. I am always amazed that you know so much more than the people who have actually done it.


I have done faction war with these mechanics.

I base my conclusions on data, not the opinions of fanboys who want to glorify their medal.


LOL

First we only accept the curent mechnics because were winning.

Now were getting ready for the alamo we only accept it because were fanboys.

At least your posts are consistently dumb, if not consistent in any other way.

Carry on looking at stats. Because they tell the whole story better than the pilots on both cal and gal sides who come here talking about haviing a blast from their peaks and troughs of occupancy war. Hopefully, current events in the other warzone provide amarr with enough content to stop camping egg station for a second and bring the good fight over minmatar strongholds.
ALUCARD 1208
Digital Ghosts
Nourv Gate Security Commission
#185 - 2013-05-15 18:14:50 UTC
combatevolved wrote:
Endless hordes in stabbed derptrons.



This is outrageous how dare you talk about a national symbol like that wash your mouth out with soap right now young man

BEBOPS ODE TO PERUNGA
X Gallentius
Black Eagle1
#186 - 2013-05-15 18:49:44 UTC
LOL I find it hilarious that you (Cearain) say we claim to "defend the status quo" when it's clear that we all agree that updates to the plexing mechanics ought to be implemented.

The bottom line is that no matter what mechanics are in place we'll still be here fighting in the occupancy war and you won't.


Cearain
Plus 10 NV
#187 - 2013-05-15 20:12:20 UTC
Larry wrote:

Carry on looking at stats.


Moe is the one who suggested I look at the december killboards. So I did, and posted the data I saw. Now you and Curly are arguing that the data means nothing. Roll

Make faction war occupancy pvp instead of pve https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=53815&#post53815
Feffri
Dead's Prostitutes
The Initiative.
#188 - 2013-05-15 21:09:41 UTC
Cearain wrote:
Feffri wrote:
who is this cerain guy? He talks a lot about fw but doesn't seem like he's in fw... anyway though dude you should stop talking because I think in every forum i read you are on the wrong side of the argument. justk qcats are pretty stong pvp groups and most people know it you are just making it so that anything you write has no merit and will not be taken seriously.


It seems you are pretty new to faction war. You should try to win the sov war a bit, and learn how to do it. Only then make your mind up about whose view you support or don't support. Thats more sensible than just trying to kiss up to players you think are "important" like a teen girl.

Yes a few people on this forum play faction war and therefore have a tendency to defend it - even beyond reason. I am one of the very few people who played faction war, gave up on it to get more pvp, yet continue to post data establishing the problems. What I post is pretty well known by anyone who has tried to win sov though.

There are plenty of people who share some of my views and think faction war needs work. But generally anyone who posts on these forums suggesting that fw needs work gets shouted down by about 5 forum warriors who appearantly patrol the forums for that reason.

You will know their posts by the fact that they never give any actual data to support their claim. They will also just make vague claims like we got "a lot of pvp" when we pushed for sov instead of comparing it to the amount of pvp they got when they weren't pushing sov. And they all absolutely hate it when someone suggests we look at the killboards of the daily top vp gainers. (If you don't know what vp is you should look it up)



Dude I've been in fw for over 2 years most of that spent on the caldari side getting our asses kicked. I have plenty of fun even though we lose more then we won, and with my limited time get plenty engagements and kills. Also I've become space rich.! FW is win win... do we need roll back timers? yes fw is far from perfect but nothing is perfect and fw is a lot better since i started. You post stats like thats the whole story if you believe that in anything then you are a fool.

FW is the best thing in eve because nowhere else allows you to make isk and pvp. Not only pvp but get small gang fight that allow you to pick your ship size and types and look for similar sized ships to engage, via the plexes. It's an awesome system and I think you've been out of fw for too long and have lost touch with fw and should stick to commenting on whatever it is that you do currently. If fw was that important to you you would not of abandoned it.

put on tinfoil hat and carry on
Cearain
Plus 10 NV
#189 - 2013-05-15 21:31:04 UTC
Feffri wrote:
Cearain wrote:
Feffri wrote:
who is this cerain guy? He talks a lot about fw but doesn't seem like he's in fw... anyway though dude you should stop talking because I think in every forum i read you are on the wrong side of the argument. justk qcats are pretty stong pvp groups and most people know it you are just making it so that anything you write has no merit and will not be taken seriously.


It seems you are pretty new to faction war. You should try to win the sov war a bit, and learn how to do it. Only then make your mind up about whose view you support or don't support. Thats more sensible than just trying to kiss up to players you think are "important" like a teen girl.

Yes a few people on this forum play faction war and therefore have a tendency to defend it - even beyond reason. I am one of the very few people who played faction war, gave up on it to get more pvp, yet continue to post data establishing the problems. What I post is pretty well known by anyone who has tried to win sov though.

There are plenty of people who share some of my views and think faction war needs work. But generally anyone who posts on these forums suggesting that fw needs work gets shouted down by about 5 forum warriors who appearantly patrol the forums for that reason.

You will know their posts by the fact that they never give any actual data to support their claim. They will also just make vague claims like we got "a lot of pvp" when we pushed for sov instead of comparing it to the amount of pvp they got when they weren't pushing sov. And they all absolutely hate it when someone suggests we look at the killboards of the daily top vp gainers. (If you don't know what vp is you should look it up)





Dude I've been in fw for over 2 years most of that spent on the caldari side getting our asses kicked. I have plenty of fun even though we lose more then we won, and with my limited time get plenty engagements and kills. Also I've become space rich.! FW is win win... do we need roll back timers? yes fw is far from perfect but nothing is perfect and fw is a lot better since i started. You post stats like thats the whole story if you believe that in anything then you are a fool.

FW is the best thing in eve because nowhere else allows you to make isk and pvp. Not only pvp but get small gang fight that allow you to pick your ship size and types and look for similar sized ships to engage, via the plexes. It's an awesome system and I think you've been out of fw for too long and have lost touch with fw and should stick to commenting on whatever it is that you do currently. If fw was that important to you you would not of abandoned it.

put on tinfoil hat and carry on



Ok I wasn't familiar with some of the fw corps you were with and your killboard made me think you were new.

Yes you can make allot of isk in fw, fw plexes are ship size restricted, and fw is a great part of eve.

These weren't the points I was addressing, but whatever, have a nice day.

Make faction war occupancy pvp instead of pve https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=53815&#post53815
Super Chair
Project Cerberus
Templis CALSF
#190 - 2013-05-15 23:48:51 UTC
X Gallentius wrote:
LOL I find it hilarious that you (Cearain) say we claim to "defend the status quo" when it's clear that we all agree that updates to the plexing mechanics ought to be implemented.

The bottom line is that no matter what mechanics are in place we'll still be here fighting in the occupancy war and you won't.





I don't always agree with dirty dreadlocked space hobos...
















But when I do they've made a very valid point and won the arguement
X Gallentius
Black Eagle1
#191 - 2013-05-16 05:24:40 UTC
So bottom line is that you have no idea on why there were fewer kills when Gallente made its push than when Caldari made its push later. (And no, neither Zarnak Wolf nor you were involved in either event.)
IbanezLaney
The Church of Awesome
#192 - 2013-05-16 05:53:21 UTC
X Gallentius wrote:
So bottom line is that you have no idea on why there were fewer kills when Gallente made its push than when Caldari made its push later. (And no, neither Zarnak Wolf nor you were involved in either event.)


I'll spoil it and tell Cearain why.


When the Gallente made their big push -
We and many other Caldari could see the writing on the wall a few weeks before and denied content.

We even moved from the WZ well before our home was pushed.
So a lot of us didn't fight/waste isk/ships fighting the inevitable.
So kills went down.


When the Caldari pushed -
The Gallente fought back the entire time.
So more kills.



If Cearain was in FW and had access to decent intel he would know this.

https://soundcloud.com/ibanezlaney
Colt Blackhawk
Doomheim
#193 - 2013-05-16 06:21:08 UTC  |  Edited by: Colt Blackhawk
IbanezLaney wrote:
X Gallentius wrote:
So bottom line is that you have no idea on why there were fewer kills when Gallente made its push than when Caldari made its push later. (And no, neither Zarnak Wolf nor you were involved in either event.)


I'll spoil it and tell Cearain why.


When the Gallente made their big push -
We and many other Caldari could see the writing on the wall a few weeks before and denied content.

We even moved from the WZ well before our home was pushed.
So a lot of us didn't fight/waste isk/ships fighting the inevitable.
So kills went down.


When the Caldari pushed -
The Gallente fought back the entire time.
So more kills.



If Cearain was in FW and had access to decent intel he would know this.



And THERE we have the difference between amarr militia and caldari militia.
Cals: Okay it is inevitable. Srew you guys. We give up and go highsec. Most of us will leave fw :P
Amarr: Okay. Last stand. There isn´t anything inevitable. Fight to the last ship and last drop of blood. Sahtogas may not fall. Never. We will fight for every damn plex with 4 vs 20.

2 1/2 weeks later amarr kick minnie ass like hell, while even many calmil 100% loyalist corps are coming to amarr mili.
There isn´t anything inevitable.

[09:04:53] Ashira Twilight > Plant the f****** amarr flag and s*** on their smoking wrecks.
IbanezLaney
The Church of Awesome
#194 - 2013-05-16 06:56:34 UTC
Colt Blackhawk wrote:
IbanezLaney wrote:
X Gallentius wrote:
So bottom line is that you have no idea on why there were fewer kills when Gallente made its push than when Caldari made its push later. (And no, neither Zarnak Wolf nor you were involved in either event.)


I'll spoil it and tell Cearain why.


When the Gallente made their big push -
We and many other Caldari could see the writing on the wall a few weeks before and denied content.

We even moved from the WZ well before our home was pushed.
So a lot of us didn't fight/waste isk/ships fighting the inevitable.
So kills went down.


When the Caldari pushed -
The Gallente fought back the entire time.
So more kills.



If Cearain was in FW and had access to decent intel he would know this.



And THERE we have the difference between amarr militia and caldari militia.
Cals: Okay it is inevitable. Srew you guys. We give up and go highsec. Most of us will leave fw :P
Amarr: Okay. Last stand. There isn´t anything inevitable. Fight to the last ship and last drop of blood. Sahtogas may not fall. Never. We will fight for every damn plex with 4 vs 20.

2 1/2 weeks later amarr kick minnie ass like hell, while even many calmil 100% loyalist corps are coming to amarr mili.
There isn´t anything inevitable.



Yeah - We are more chilled. After all - Eve is only a game and I'm not gonna let a game control my time.

It was a choice
Dplex all saturday and sunday and still lose my system while I'm asleep or at work during the week.
Or understand the pendulum is swinging and go do something else more interesting for a while.

https://soundcloud.com/ibanezlaney
Fret Thiesant
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#195 - 2013-05-16 10:40:48 UTC  |  Edited by: Fret Thiesant
I solo a fair amount of the time, fly t1 frigs, and have under 4 mill Sp.
I get fights in plexes all the time.
Meditril
Hoplite Brigade
Ushra'Khan
#196 - 2013-05-16 13:05:32 UTC
Fret Thiesant wrote:
I solo a fair amount of the time, fly t1 frigs, and have under 4 mill Sp.
I get fights in plexes all the time.


Agreed. To those who don't get fights I can just advice you to not fly ships which are well known to be OP. These are for example:

  • Daredevil
  • Hookbill
  • Dramiel

Just take something else and leave your OGB docked at home.
1st-Garrentious WispBender
Doomheim
#197 - 2013-05-16 13:14:43 UTC
IbanezLaney wrote:
Colt Blackhawk wrote:
IbanezLaney wrote:
X Gallentius wrote:
So bottom line is that you have no idea on why there were fewer kills when Gallente made its push than when Caldari made its push later. (And no, neither Zarnak Wolf nor you were involved in either event.)


I'll spoil it and tell Cearain why.


When the Gallente made their big push -
We and many other Caldari could see the writing on the wall a few weeks before and denied content.

We even moved from the WZ well before our home was pushed.
So a lot of us didn't fight/waste isk/ships fighting the inevitable.
So kills went down.


When the Caldari pushed -
The Gallente fought back the entire time.
So more kills.



If Cearain was in FW and had access to decent intel he would know this.



And THERE we have the difference between amarr militia and caldari militia.
Cals: Okay it is inevitable. Srew you guys. We give up and go highsec. Most of us will leave fw :P
Amarr: Okay. Last stand. There isn´t anything inevitable. Fight to the last ship and last drop of blood. Sahtogas may not fall. Never. We will fight for every damn plex with 4 vs 20.

2 1/2 weeks later amarr kick minnie ass like hell, while even many calmil 100% loyalist corps are coming to amarr mili.
There isn´t anything inevitable.



Yeah - We are more chilled. After all - Eve is only a game and I'm not gonna let a game control my time.

It was a choice
Dplex all saturday and sunday and still lose my system while I'm asleep or at work during the week.
Or understand the pendulum is swinging and go do something else more interesting for a while.


Are you telling me you are working? Thanks for the free intel, time for me and my buddies to come mess up your home. That's right, we're gonna come in and re-arrange your hangar.
X Gallentius
Black Eagle1
#198 - 2013-05-16 13:22:13 UTC
IbanezLaney wrote:
I'll spoil it and tell Cearain why.

*sigh* I thought this was good for two pages of trolling. Sad


Big smile
Cearain
Plus 10 NV
#199 - 2013-05-16 14:09:12 UTC
IbanezLaney wrote:
Colt Blackhawk wrote:
IbanezLaney wrote:
X Gallentius wrote:
So bottom line is that you have no idea on why there were fewer kills when Gallente made its push than when Caldari made its push later. (And no, neither Zarnak Wolf nor you were involved in either event.)


I'll spoil it and tell Cearain why.


When the Gallente made their big push -
We and many other Caldari could see the writing on the wall a few weeks before and denied content.

We even moved from the WZ well before our home was pushed.
So a lot of us didn't fight/waste isk/ships fighting the inevitable.
So kills went down.


When the Caldari pushed -
The Gallente fought back the entire time.
So more kills.



If Cearain was in FW and had access to decent intel he would know this.



And THERE we have the difference between amarr militia and caldari militia.
Cals: Okay it is inevitable. Srew you guys. We give up and go highsec. Most of us will leave fw :P
Amarr: Okay. Last stand. There isn´t anything inevitable. Fight to the last ship and last drop of blood. Sahtogas may not fall. Never. We will fight for every damn plex with 4 vs 20.

2 1/2 weeks later amarr kick minnie ass like hell, while even many calmil 100% loyalist corps are coming to amarr mili.
There isn´t anything inevitable.



Yeah - We are more chilled. After all - Eve is only a game and I'm not gonna let a game control my time.

It was a choice
Dplex all saturday and sunday and still lose my system while I'm asleep or at work during the week.
Or understand the pendulum is swinging and go do something else more interesting for a while.



Your story doesn't make sense. (not to say its not true but if it is true that pretty illogical) So dplexing is boring even when there is a full blown push by your enemy to take all systems? I thought this was the time to get all sorts of exciting pvp?

You can't have it both ways that defensive plexing is boring non pvp for you but somehow it is exciting pvp for gallente. They had to keep hold of all the systems they had during their push to take all the systems and that would require allot of defensive plexing. That is at least part of the reason why thier pvp was down.

But Look at what amarr did. Not only did they get very excited about pvp in sahtogas (one player said he moved 40 billion in ships into the system!) but they also sent a contingent to capture a system several jumps away. Unfortunately the Minmatar (and gallente?) weren't interested in pvp and let the opportunity pass. (They let it pass 3 times in the last year)

There are 101 systems. You guys couldn't have put some resources into taking/deplexing even a few systems and got a ton of fights? Yet you had the resources to make a push immediately after? If anything this demonstrates how little caldari care about the sov war.

From the perspective of someone who wants to pvp these actions from caldari and minmatar do not make sense. It does add up from the perspective of someone who wants to farm.

Caldari: Let them get their medal and then they will stop pvping to hold the plexes in 90% of the systems and we can farm.

Minmatar: let them start taking systems again instead of crushing their morale so we have more fields to farm.

XG and I may disagree on allot, but I do agree with him that the current mechanics can bring about occassional times (2-3 a year per war zone) where there can be allot of excellent plex pvp in a small number of systems. Caldari and minmatar's actions suggest they have no interest in that.

Make faction war occupancy pvp instead of pve https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=53815&#post53815
ALUCARD 1208
Digital Ghosts
Nourv Gate Security Commission
#200 - 2013-05-16 14:18:59 UTC  |  Edited by: ALUCARD 1208
cearain wrote:
There are 101 systems. You guys couldn't have put some resources into taking/deplexing even a few systems and got a ton of fights? Yet you had the resources to make a push immediately after?



Again your showing how ignorent to our warzone you are the immediate pushback was by Evoke fresh outa null and needing to make fast isk. And then they were bkd up by the caldari corps that had given up during our push, they saw this as evoke giving them a glimmer of hope.....

BEBOPS ODE TO PERUNGA