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So the pendulum is swinging back?

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Meditril
Minmatar Secret Service
Ushra'Khan
#1 - 2013-05-06 11:45:00 UTC
Looks like Amarr have finally found a way to push their farming slaves back to work. Or is there any other explanation why Amarr are are gaining more and more systems back? Maybe the Minmatars have just lost their faith for freedom? What's your opinion?
Bad Messenger
Rehabilitation Clinic
#2 - 2013-05-06 12:02:10 UTC
minmatar militia needs more farming ground
ALUCARD 1208
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#3 - 2013-05-06 12:04:51 UTC
minnie lp is diluted, amarr bs and new cruiser changes in odessy look good too guess the farmers are switching sides for a change of flavor i suppose
Colt Blackhawk
Doomheim
#4 - 2013-05-06 12:22:08 UTC  |  Edited by: Colt Blackhawk
To answer your question:
Amarr mili simply never breaks. Doesn´t matter how deep in sh... it is.
No we don´t have any farming russians.
We simply see that tier is PVE only (!%$("&§! you CCP) and so fweddit started farming like hell :D

Plus the gals left us after united forces of galmil and minmil couldn´t get fortress Sahtogas even to 15%. LOLZ.
Think they have given up. Plus they somehow don´t want to fight after Sahtogas offensive failed.
This whole tier 4 thing of the minnies was russian farming horde only and I think many of the minnie PVPers got sick of it and left. Well organised bigger minnie fleets are very rare these days.

http://i.imgur.com/BM4cVEU.jpg

Or a little demonstration of amarr mili organisation:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kZsHwOrmq9A

Split their forces by grabbing a far away system. Start plexing like hell. Crush their offensive.

[09:04:53] Ashira Twilight > Plant the f****** amarr flag and s*** on their smoking wrecks.

Templar Dane
Amarrian Vengeance
Team Amarrica
#5 - 2013-05-06 12:28:47 UTC
The crew in Sahtogas let the surrounding systems fall because we wanted a good fight, and thought that the slaves would bring some good ones our way.

Now that we've seen they don't have it in them, we're bringing the fight to them.
Christine Peeveepeeski
Low Sec Concepts
#6 - 2013-05-06 13:06:22 UTC
I am no longer in the amarr militia, not because of the militia itself. Amarr militia, best militia. You won't find a more hardened bunch of in your face fighters this side of.... well anywhere.

The pendulum will never stop swinging though.
Takanuro
Space-Brewery-Association
Local Is Primary
#7 - 2013-05-06 13:11:52 UTC
The turnaround is not because of farmers switching. Minnie numbers have still been rising on the most part and Amarr lost players and corps to the enemy side. It's basically hardwork by Amarrian forces who are loyal enough to stand by the Empress.

There is high chance of burnout from this, but hopefully once we get T2 and are able to earn some respectable LP, some farming alts will realise that Amarr @ T2 > Minnie @ T3, especially given the insane demand there will be for the Navy Geddon when the standard Geddon gets turned into a mini-Bhaal. Plus many other LP store items which are high value due to the reduced LP hitting the market over the last couple of months.

We've stood shoulder to shoulder with many a good pilot over the last weeks and it's been awesome. Amarr Victor!

Yes, we're going to die, but you're coming with us!

Cearain
Plus 10 NV
#8 - 2013-05-06 13:22:40 UTC
As I occassionally do, I checked to see who the top daily plexers are and then check their killboards. Fweddit is starting to take the top spots. I am not sure why, but as people here are saying there seems to be some decision on their part to get alts plexing. A few said it was to prove that rabbit plexing is the best way to gain sov under these mechanics. Basically to prove fw sov is broken. I think its amazing some people still need this proof but reading the forums its clear some do. The top vp gainers for a day still usually have no kills that day.

I am finding a few fweddit guys who get some kills though. As many as 6 for the day but usually less. They usually have several others on the killmail with them. Is the amount of vp divided when a group takes a plex, or does everyone get credited with the full vp? I am assuming it is the former, and the top plexers join a fleet either before or after they get their rabbit plexing done.

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Tarn Vedera
New Eden Advanced Solutions
Spades Alliance
#9 - 2013-05-06 13:40:20 UTC
Basically what happened was a couple different things all coming together.

There has always been a lot of talk in the Amarr militia that the different corps/alliances within didn't really work together towards the common goal. When minmatar made their big push and got the amarr down to 2-3 systems, a few of the larger corps/alliances got together in chat and decided to hash out some things. This resulted in some new friendships being made and a lot of working together.

Here is a bit of an explanation. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kZsHwOrmq9A

It was easy for those who got all butthurt and then leave the militia to blame fweddit and their alliance for not doing anything on their way out. But it seemed to really have been just a bunch of whiners leaving militia chat. Once fweddit, and their numbers, got focused (along with some smaller, but well known amarr corps) on the task at hand. Well, you see the results.
Zarnak Wulf
Amarrian Vengeance
Team Amarrica
#10 - 2013-05-06 14:21:27 UTC
I guess the unemployed Russian masses have their plexing limits. Who knew?
Cearain
Plus 10 NV
#11 - 2013-05-06 14:38:15 UTC
Here were the top 20 vp gainers for 5/5/13


Rocko Tsero" victoryPoints="700"
Tophination" victoryPoints="660"
teric melhaff" victoryPoints="580"
Asgrow" victoryPoints="560" />
Zajic Zajicova" victoryPoints="500" />
Leloo Dallas Multipass" victoryPoints="480" />
Green Menace" victoryPoints="460" />
Philippo Cobb" victoryPoints="440" />
Scripet" victoryPoints="440" />
Phelia Star" victoryPoints="440" />
Uczun Pucator" victoryPoints="440" />
Jessica Reiss" victoryPoints="420" />
Salicaz" victoryPoints="420" />
Victor Tequila" victoryPoints="420" />
Druss1979" victoryPoints="400" />
Meta Spectre" victoryPoints="400" />
Jrkan Yarik" victoryPoints="400" />
Elder Kestrel" victoryPoints="380" />
abzde" victoryPoints="380" />
Markiel" victoryPoints="360" />
Zandithious" victoryPoints="360" />

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Colt Blackhawk
Doomheim
#12 - 2013-05-06 16:33:39 UTC
What we simply see here: F.... pvp in fw.
Grab a stabbed cloaky ship, plex the opponent to hell, do missions and earn billions.
PVP and fw...LOLZ.

[09:04:53] Ashira Twilight > Plant the f****** amarr flag and s*** on their smoking wrecks.

Stalking Mantis
Tr0pa de elite.
Test Alliance Please Ignore
#13 - 2013-05-07 06:33:44 UTC  |  Edited by: Stalking Mantis
Fortress Sahtogas That is all.

The Sahtogas crowd doesnt spam militia chat for help and do nothing to defend their system like the Kamela crowd. Nor does it allow plexing in system with 20+ amarr in system either. Take note those who live in kamela.

The below video captures the glory.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kZsHwOrmq9A

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Veshta Yoshida
PIE Inc.
Khimi Harar
#14 - 2013-05-07 07:30:28 UTC
If it was a pendulum the motion with by smooth and rhythmic.

What you are seeing is more like a wheelbarrow being pushed up and down a long shallow hill with a free nudie-bar at the bottom and a muddy top.
Meditril
Minmatar Secret Service
Ushra'Khan
#15 - 2013-05-07 11:35:15 UTC
Veshta Yoshida wrote:
If it was a pendulum the motion with by smooth and rhythmic.

What you are seeing is more like a wheelbarrow being pushed up and down a long shallow hill with a free nudie-bar at the bottom and a muddy top.


I think it is smooth and rhythmic... the frequency is just very low... about 6 months or more per period.
Before christmals Amarr started their invasion of minmatar Fw-space and it took them until January or February I think until they for some reason stopped after having conquered everything but a few systems. Then they started loosing ground until minmatars have conquered everything except for two systems a few weeks ago. Now Amarr are back on their turn. Looks rather smooth for me on a larger scale.
Bad Messenger
Rehabilitation Clinic
#16 - 2013-05-07 11:41:05 UTC
Cearain wrote:
Here were the top 20 vp gainers for 5/5/13


Rocko Tsero" victoryPoints="700"
Tophination" victoryPoints="660"
teric melhaff" victoryPoints="580"
Asgrow" victoryPoints="560" />
Zajic Zajicova" victoryPoints="500" />
Leloo Dallas Multipass" victoryPoints="480" />
Green Menace" victoryPoints="460" />
Philippo Cobb" victoryPoints="440" />
Scripet" victoryPoints="440" />
Phelia Star" victoryPoints="440" />
Uczun Pucator" victoryPoints="440" />
Jessica Reiss" victoryPoints="420" />
Salicaz" victoryPoints="420" />
Victor Tequila" victoryPoints="420" />
Druss1979" victoryPoints="400" />
Meta Spectre" victoryPoints="400" />
Jrkan Yarik" victoryPoints="400" />
Elder Kestrel" victoryPoints="380" />
abzde" victoryPoints="380" />
Markiel" victoryPoints="360" />
Zandithious" victoryPoints="360" />


those stats are pretty much useless because those do not track cross militia plexing?
Pax Thar
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#17 - 2013-05-07 12:06:15 UTC
Lots of chest thumping here. It could be cause you got your p....s worn out and people got bored, or it could be fortress saht and all the jazz. Take your pick.
Cearain
Plus 10 NV
#18 - 2013-05-07 14:33:15 UTC
Bad Messenger wrote:
Cearain wrote:
Here were the top 20 vp gainers for 5/5/13


Rocko Tsero" victoryPoints="700"
Tophination" victoryPoints="660"
teric melhaff" victoryPoints="580"
Asgrow" victoryPoints="560" />
Zajic Zajicova" victoryPoints="500" />
Leloo Dallas Multipass" victoryPoints="480" />
Green Menace" victoryPoints="460" />
Philippo Cobb" victoryPoints="440" />
Scripet" victoryPoints="440" />
Phelia Star" victoryPoints="440" />
Uczun Pucator" victoryPoints="440" />
Jessica Reiss" victoryPoints="420" />
Salicaz" victoryPoints="420" />
Victor Tequila" victoryPoints="420" />
Druss1979" victoryPoints="400" />
Meta Spectre" victoryPoints="400" />
Jrkan Yarik" victoryPoints="400" />
Elder Kestrel" victoryPoints="380" />
abzde" victoryPoints="380" />
Markiel" victoryPoints="360" />
Zandithious" victoryPoints="360" />


those stats are pretty much useless because those do not track cross militia plexing?



Good point. I can only imagine what it would be like if it included cross plexing farmers.

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X Gallentius
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#19 - 2013-05-07 15:31:04 UTC
Stalking Mantis wrote:
Fortress Sahtogas That is all.

The Sahtogas crowd doesnt spam militia chat for help and do nothing to defend their system like the Kamela crowd. Nor does it allow plexing in system with 20+ amarr in system either. Take note those who live in kamela.

The below video captures the glory. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kZsHwOrmq9A

What? You undocked and defended your system (and got tons of fights too)???!!! Bah.
Cearain
Plus 10 NV
#20 - 2013-05-07 16:08:33 UTC
X Gallentius wrote:
Stalking Mantis wrote:
Fortress Sahtogas That is all.

The Sahtogas crowd doesnt spam militia chat for help and do nothing to defend their system like the Kamela crowd. Nor does it allow plexing in system with 20+ amarr in system either. Take note those who live in kamela.

The below video captures the glory. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kZsHwOrmq9A

What? You undocked and defended your system (and got tons of fights too)???!!! Bah.



Good questions.

Evekill and battleclinic says he got 29 kills in april and 15 kills in march. But I am assuming there must be an api issue since he does not appear to have pvped at all most of the those months.

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